Ca. is "consficating" guns from People that shouldn't have them

[jbombelli]

We all agree felons shouldn't own guns.

No, we don't all agree to that. A large number of us agree that if someone is free to walk the streets with the rest of us, he's free to keep and bear arms, regardless of his background. Period.

No we do not all agree that felons should not have guns, some of us believe some people should not be labeled felons for many many crimes.

This. Bears. Repeating.

 

[Scutter01]

This. Bears. Repeating.

 

[IndyDave1776]

 

[IndyDave1776]

Everybody has the right to defend themselves but I suppose the thought is that if you're a felon you're likely to use said weapon during the commission of another felony?

Again, if this argument held up, that 33 man task force should be whittled down to no more than 5 by now.

 

[87iroc]

We do?

Evidently not. Sounded good when I typed it. Seems to me if you don't want to be a felon, don't break the law...but I am probably living in a little too black and white world.

 

[MikeDVB]

Again, if this argument held up, that 33 man task force should be whittled down to no more than 5 by now.

There are a lot of arguments that one could make such as abolishing gun control, NFA, etc...

I'm just saying - being a felon does not mean that you no longer have the right to self preservation.

 

[MikeDVB]

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I see your three repeating bears, and I raise you four.

 

[Scutter01]

Evidently not. Sounded good when I typed it. Seems to me if you don't want to be a felon, don't break the law...but I am probably living in a little too black and white world.

There's lots and lots of accidental felons out there. Ever drive your kid to school and then turn the car off? Guess what? You're a felon. Even if you didn't open the door.

 

[87iroc]

No, we don't all agree to that. A large number of us agree that if someone is free to walk the streets with the rest of us, he's free to keep and bear arms, regardless of his background. Period.




This. Bears. Repeating.

Fair enough...hadn't thought of it that way.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Evidently not. Sounded good when I typed it. Seems to me if you don't want to be a felon, don't break the law...but I am probably living in a little too black and white world.

The problem is that the days in which you could live by the Ten Commandments, pay your taxes, and never worry about running afoul of the law are long gone. Also true is that back in those days, felon or not, it was perfectly legal to buy a gun, including by mail order with no FFL-holding dealer involved. There was no prohibition against a felon owning a gun until 1968.

Today, not only do we have an infringement that the Constitution does not allow (and gets ignored) but we have so many things that have been criminalized that living within the law now takes effort and attention to details as opposed to the 'good old days' when you had to make a deliberate decision to do something clearly wrong before worrying about legal troubles.

 

[jbombelli]

Fair enough...hadn't thought of it that way.

Well, in fairness, you've probably never found out that you committed a federal felony by picking eagle feathers up off the ground.

Or any number of other things.

 

[NYFelon]

Wait, so the wicked evil felons not only didn't commit crimes with their guns, they didn't blaze away when the coppers came a-calling?

Well, this will never do. Doesn't fit the narrative at all.

 

[jbombelli]

Wait, so the wicked evil felons not only didn't commit crimes with their guns, they didn't blaze away when the coppers came a-calling?

Well, this will never do. Doesn't fit the narrative at all.

It might not fit the narrative, but it certainly fits with the aspirations of those in power.

 

[NYFelon]

You have to start somewhere. You have to pick an easy mark first -- felons for instance. Once you sell the idea it's okay to deprive one group of the fundamental right to defense to the populace, the nect one becomes easier. Then the next. And the next. And the next. And the.....

 

[IndyDave1776]

You have to start somewhere. You have to pick an easy mark first -- felons for instance. Once you sell the idea it's okay to deprive one group of the fundamental right to defense to the populace, the nect one becomes easier. Then the next. And the next. And the next. And the.....

Exactly! Most people are too obtuse to understand that what the government can do to one person or group it can do to anyone--and eventually will.

 

[miguel]

No we do not all agree that felons should not have guns, some of us believe some people should not be labeled felons for many many crimes.

Ding! Ding! Ding! This!!!

 

[MikeDVB]

How do "they" have a list, of ANYONE, who has a gun ?????

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...the_2nd_amendment/268979-creepy_ca_again.html

 

[Foxxwoof]

No we do not all agree that felons should not have guns, some of us believe some people should not be labeled felons for many many crimes.

This...

Some of the things that get you classified as a Felon have little to do with violence, and "shouldn't" affect your right to own a firearm. But they do... Even a misdemeanor can get you a low rent felony if it is deemed "gross" in perpetuation.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Well, in fairness, you've probably never found out that you committed a federal felony by picking eagle feathers up off the ground.

Or any number of other things.

Is this true?

 

[ghuns]

I would guess that the majority of felons are convicted of property and vice crimes, not violent crimes. My google-fu is week today, but I'd bet on it.

By modern journalistic standards, that should pass for gospel fact.