Caliber Controversy

[dan lenson]

Posting this in response to the "9mm No Defense" post.

Federal Bureau of Investigation Law Enforcement Bulletin - October 2004 Issue

Read & decide for yourself.

 

[redneckmedic]

 

[Sailor]

Yawn.

 

[Shoots4Fun]

I got kind of sleepy and jumped to the end with the statistics. What
I conclude is 1) you can get killed (even while wearing body armor) with a well placed shot of any caliber but 2) that more people carry 9mm than most other calibers. Just my interpretation.

Interested to hear what other people have to say after reading it...

 

[sianbrimons]

what i've learned without even clicking the link is that new threads arguing about caliber effectiveness will appear on this board like clock-work, count on a new one every 6 hours...

not at all picking on the original poster, just saying, the way i see it, any weapon is better than nothing, even a rusty spoon could do the trick if you jamb it in someone's eye...

 

[Chow40cal]

...even a rusty spoon could do the trick if you jamb it in someone's eye...

A little Power Rangers "Zord slash!" action? Awesome! I'll give you twelve to one on the old guy with the rusty spoon.

 

[Titanium Man]

Thanks for the overview. I like to delegate all my boring work out.

 

[U.S. Patriot]

Please for the love of God, give the horse a rest. Seriously this is getting worse then Glock VS the world. When you are looking down down a barrel, who cares what caliber it is! Two to the chest, one to the head. If that does not stop them, then I guess you better run like a girl!

 

[TopDog]

Please for the love of God, give the horse a rest. Seriously this is getting worse then Glock VS the world. When you are looking down down a barrel, who cares what caliber it is! Two to the chest, one to the head. If that does not stop them, then I guess you better run like a girl!

Reminds me of drills we used to run while chanting in our head "Two to the body, one to the head, your daily dose of lead"

 

[Renegade1978]

Please for the love of God, give the horse a rest. Seriously this is getting worse then Glock VS the world. When you are looking down down a barrel, who cares what caliber it is! Two to the chest, one to the head. If that does not stop them, then I guess you better run like a girl!

I've always thought that beating a dead horse tenderizes the meat.

 

[Renegade1978]

Also, I can't figure out why anyone would stop at "two to the chest; one to the head." I've always thought "If you're going to shoot someone, it had better be for self-defense, and in that case, empty the magazine."

 

[NathanJefferson]

Also, I can't figure out why anyone would stop at "two to the chest; one to the head." I've always thought "If you're going to shoot someone, it had better be for self-defense, and in that case, empty the magazine."

LOVE IT! Never heard that one before, consider it stolen .

 

[Yamaha]

I bet positive rep to say the 7.62x25 prolly went through the vest.....its a bit nastier than the 357 sig...lol


just goes to show, never underestimate any caliber, and it would be interesting to see how many of that study's instances were decided by the first person to act(rounds on target)

 

[Dyerbill]

I must be a walking target.....I carry a 9mm Glock

 

[Buckhunter]

I got kind of sleepy and jumped to the end with the statistics. What
I conclude is 1) you can get killed (even while wearing body armor) with a well placed shot of any caliber but 2) that more people carry 9mm than most other calibers. Just my interpretation.

THIS

I've always thought that beating a dead horse tenderizes the meat.

It does!

I must be a walking target.....I carry a 9mm Glock

You and me both. We need to upgrade our stopping power.

 

[redneckmedic]

I wonder how many of those FBI folks spent time on the street patching up anyone... I carry a 9mm also.... for several good reasons!

 

[nonstop]

most all handgun rounds are poor stopper unless you hit the central nervous system or the aorta.

 

[DoctorJ32174]

But most handguns, even if they don't stop, will certainly deter. Hell, shoot them in the ankle and they will go down.

 

[Lastshot]

Springfield is making special order 1911's in 45cal. for FBI... interesting. Also Seals carry Modified 1911's as bckup handgun.

 

[U.S. Patriot]

One thing people tend to forget. Allot of officers die from non fatal wounds, because they give up the will to fight. This was always discussed annually when the LE training team came to our station. Reports of officers surviving attacks, when medically they should have not. Others who medically should have survived, but did not. It's just as much mental as it is physical. If you give up the will to fight, you body will shut down. A positive mental attitude, will get you through way more then you think you can handle!