CBP firearm part seizure in Indiana.

[garagegunmaker]

Sorry if this is a dupe didn’t see it anywhere else when I looked.

Reading the article it seems odd as it mentions only firearms parts no actual guns, but then states the reason for Seizure was lack of an FFL.

Thoughts?

Indiana CBP officers seize illegal shipment of firearm parts from Israel, Spain | Fox News

Indiana U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers last week seized multiple shipments of illegal firearms manufacturing parts from Israel and Spain.

www.foxnews.com

 

[KellyinAvon]

Sorry if this is a dupe didn’t see it anywhere else when I looked.

Reading the article it seems odd as it mentions only firearms parts no actual guns, but then states the reason for Seizure was lack of an FFL.

Thoughts?

Indiana CBP officers seize illegal shipment of firearm parts from Israel, Spain | Fox News

Indiana U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers last week seized multiple shipments of illegal firearms manufacturing parts from Israel and Spain.

www.foxnews.com

I've read this, I've heard it, I keep hearing there were no guns. Slings, grips, sights, but .gov is keeping illegal guns out. Whu??

 

[Mgderf]

I've read this, I've heard it, I keep hearing there were no guns. Slings, grips, sights, but .gov is keeping illegal guns out. Whu??

Exactly what I've been hearing.
All parts, and not a single mention of receivers or frames, so no serialized parts.
Now maybe they violated some import rule, but "illegal guns"?, Me thinks not.

 

[VostocK]

Exactly what I've been hearing.
All parts, and not a single mention of receivers or frames, so no serialized parts.
Now maybe they violated some import rule, but "illegal guns"?, Me thinks not.

Sounds like they should be focusing less on the customs part of their job and more on the boarder protection part.

 

[nucular]

Weak

 

[Cavman]

Wonder if it could be counterfeit stuff. I know magpul gets alot of counterfeit stuff shipped in

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

If I had ordered basic stuff like grip and stock from IWI and it came directly from Israel, but seized by customs for no good reason?, I'd be pissed!

 

[DadSmith]

Sounds like they should be focusing less on the customs part of their job and more on the boarder protection part.

They aren't allowed to execute that part of their job. Right now they have orders to catch and release by the millions so far.

 

[Jaybird1980]

If I had ordered basic stuff like grip and stock from IWI and it came directly from Israel, but seized by customs for no good reason?, I'd be pissed!

I imagine IWI is a registered and legal importer. Whoever imported this stuff was apparently not a legal importer.

 

[Mgderf]

I imagine IWI is a registered and legal importer. Whoever imported this stuff was apparently not a legal importer.

Yeah, something tells me that Doug's Derringers is not on the approval list.

 

[xwing]

Seems shady. Either the government is in the wrong (what a shock) or the story is missing key information. From my understanding, gun "parts" non-receiver are allowable to import.

 

[printcraft]

Unless these were "glock switches" I don't see what the problem is.
(I don't see a problem with glock switches either, but that is another discussion)

 

[Cameramonkey]

Seems shady. Either the government is in the wrong (what a shock) or the story is missing key information. From my understanding, gun "parts" non-receiver are allowable to import.

Probably several things in play here:
Quantities: It MAY be legal for your uncle Maury to send you a part or two because he can get the parts over there that sellers here just dont have. But its probably not legal for Crazy Yosef to ship a case of parts here for his cousin to resell.

Or the items were not properly declared, making them prohibited no matter that they are legal to own here. I'm pretty sure you cant import a case of firearm components and call them scrap metal. They may have even balked at "machine parts".

 

[xwing]

Or the items were not properly declared, making them prohibited no matter that they are legal to own here. I'm pretty sure you cant import a case of firearm components and call them scrap metal. They may have even balked at "machine parts".

Quite Possibly. When I had to ship guns, I would classify them as "tools". IMO they are tools so it's true. (always shipped per federal and state regulations, e.g. to manufacturer, to or from ffl, etc...) But no sense in letting anyone who can see the bill of lading know what they are.

 

[COOPADUP]

Here's the key issue IMO.
CBP said the importer was not a federally licensed firearms manufacturer or dealer with no registration of being an importer.
I believe this means that the persons/company importing these articles were not set up as a valid Importer of Record.
The valuation of said articles exceeded the threshold whereby a Licensed Customs Broker would have had to transact the business with CBP.
They probably thought it would slip through the consignment or express shipping channels without notice as up to a certain value shipments are actually cleared by the Fedex's, UPS's of the world.
Not sure about the regs concerning gun parts, but with the status of the current ATF, anything is possible.

 

[jwamplerusa]

And mostly I would consider the current writings on this to simply be propaganda following the desired narrative of the regime.

 

[Mgderf]

And mostly I would consider the current writings on this to simply be propaganda following the desired narrative of the regime.

"Wag the dog"

 

[KellyinAvon]

Probably several things in play here:
Quantities: It MAY be legal for your uncle Maury to send you a part or two because he can get the parts over there that sellers here just dont have. But its probably not legal for Crazy Yosef to ship a case of parts here for his cousin to resell.

Or the items were not properly declared, making them prohibited no matter that they are legal to own here. I'm pretty sure you cant import a case of firearm components and call them scrap metal. They may have even balked at "machine parts".

We banned "Crazy Yosef's Cousin" for skirting the classies a while back. He claimed he had a 53' sea-van full of AKs. Please, it was a 40-footer and it looked like somebody painted "Uncle Maury's Machine Parts" with spray-cans. Plus one of the pics had a toilet and another showed feet.

 

[Cameramonkey]

And to put a finer point on my ideas, I'm sure the more "offensive" you get in regards to the items, the more likely they are to follow the rules to a T.

So if you fudge the description on foodstuffs, meh. No big deal as it doesnt offend anyone's senses. He said they were cookies but they were really brownies. But if they are anti gun and you dont declare "gun parts" they are going to confiscate for any related description. Yes, TECHNICALLY a gun is a machine and those were parts for a machine, but since you were not specific enough, kiss them goodbye.

 

[04FXSTS]

And to put a finer point on my ideas, I'm sure the more "offensive" you get in regards to the items, the more likely they are to follow the rules to a T.

So if you fudge the description on foodstuffs, meh. No big deal as it doesnt offend anyone's senses. He said they were cookies but they were really brownies. But if they are anti gun and you dont declare "gun parts" they are going to confiscate for any related description. Yes, TECHNICALLY a gun is a machine and those were parts for a machine, but since you were not specific enough, kiss them goodbye.

I have only shipped handguns a couple times but would not declare them as tools or anything but a firearm. I would worry about if the package was damaged showing what it was. Worse than that if it was lost or stolen, what then? You now have your firearm in the hands of a thief or at least some who sees no reason to return to owner. How do you file a report for something you lied about when shipping? Jim.