Cease teaching and practicing the Catholic faith or close its doors forever

[DadSmith]

'Cease teaching and practicing the Catholic faith or close its doors forever': Catholic school's lawsuit against Michigan officials states sexual orientation, gender identity law violates religious beliefs

A Catholic school in Michigan filed a federal lawsuit on Thursday against state officials over sexual orientation and gender identity laws recently incorporated into the state's Civil Rights Act, the Daily Caller News Foundation reported.The Sacred Heart of Jesus Parish Catholic school and three...

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[KokomoDave]

The Jesuits that run the world will not let that stand.

 

[Magyars]

Catholics, prior to the current pope, used to have a commitment to the Bible...now with the communist in Rome, not so much....

 

[DragonGunner]

It’s slowly going to become a very evil time. A time when the masses will get the call to hate Christian’s just like the Nazis hated Jews. And with the same results. The left will hate and accuse the Church of problems and set their teeth upon it. We haven’t seen anything yet, but it’s coming.

 

[Flash-hider]

This is really too bad. What happened to the vaunted "separation of church and state" that the left has been clubbing the right with for decades? We have a 1st class devil worshipping AG in Michigan and a left leaning supreme court. Religion, guns, anything of decency, and morals will be a thing of the past to your neighbors to the north.

 

[Cameramonkey]

The Jesuits that run the world will not let that stand.

Wait, they bought the Jews out and took control?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Sooo, they are holding themselves hostage because they can't have a religious test for hiring purposes?

Meh.

 

[Tryin']

Sooo, they are holding themselves hostage because they can't have a religious test for hiring purposes?

Meh.

Should a mosque be forced to hire jews? How about teach Wesleyan doctrine? Should a Baptist school be required to employ atheists? Where is your line?

It's a religious test because it's a religious institution. The state should keep its tentacles to itself.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Should a mosque be forced to hire jews? How about teach Wesleyan doctrine? Should a Baptist school be required to employ atheists? Where is your line?

It's a religious test because it's a religious institution. The state should keep its tentacles to itself.

The mosque should abide by the same hiring practices as any businesses do, bona fide job requirements. Does the accountant have a need to be Muslim or to know Muslim doctrine to prepare the taxes? No, of course not, so inquiring about the religion or religious beliefs of an applicant to the position is discriminatory hiring practices. The position of Imam certainly requires someone to be both Muslim and have a deep knowledge base of Islam (and the school of the particular mosque), so discrimination is required to fulfill the role. The ability to exclude Jews from employment as a historical practice directly lead to the modern stereotypes of Jews as greedy money lenders, as it was one of the few ways to make a living left to them in centuries past. Yes, I'd rather have Jews in lay positions within a mosque than support the ability to exclude groups from the economy for wrong-think, religious, political, whatever. Hire people who can do the job, their personal beliefs are there own unless there's a bona fide need.

The "teaching doctrine" is not in question, that's just histrionics the attorneys came up with for narrative building. Nobody is telling them they can't teach Catholicism. They are claiming they can't as part of holding themselves hostage.

Remember when Roncalli fired a lay employee for being gay? That's the actual issue, not one of teaching doctrine. Did Roncalli collapse and close their doors? Did they have to change what their doctrine and curriculum taught? Right. So, again...meh.

The "tentacles" are the 14th amendment's guarantee of equal protection under the law. The ability to exclude people from the economy due to their beliefs is an incredibly powerful weapon to wield, and one typically done to "keep those people in their place", whoever those people are at the time. Think of the history of the 14th and why those "tentacles" exist.

 

[fullmetaljesus]

The mosque should abide by the same hiring practices as any businesses do, bona fide job requirements. Does the accountant have a need to be Muslim or to know Muslim doctrine to prepare the taxes? No, of course not, so inquiring about the religion or religious beliefs of an applicant to the position is discriminatory hiring practices. The position of Imam certainly requires someone to be both Muslim and have a deep knowledge base of Islam (and the school of the particular mosque), so discrimination is required to fulfill the role. The ability to exclude Jews from employment as a historical practice directly lead to the modern stereotypes of Jews as greedy money lenders, as it was one of the few ways to make a living left to them in centuries past. Yes, I'd rather have Jews in lay positions within a mosque than support the ability to exclude groups from the economy for wrong-think, religious, political, whatever. Hire people who can do the job, their personal beliefs are there own unless there's a bona fide need.

The "teaching doctrine" is not in question, that's just histrionics the attorneys came up with for narrative building. Nobody is telling them they can't teach Catholicism. They are claiming they can't as part of holding themselves hostage.

Remember when Roncalli fired a lay employee for being gay? That's the actual issue, not one of teaching doctrine. Did Roncalli collapse and close their doors? Did they have to change what their doctrine and curriculum taught? Right. So, again...meh.

The "tentacles" are the 14th amendment's guarantee of equal protection under the law. The ability to exclude people from the economy due to their beliefs is an incredibly powerful weapon to wield, and one typically done to "keep those people in their place", whoever those people are at the time. Think of the history of the 14th and why those "tentacles" exist.

Not necessarily true.
The Islamic faith requires a few rules about money. For instance they aren't allowed to collect interest.

I'm not a practicer of any religion so I don't know if there are more money rules in the faith.

So conceivably a Muslim accountant would probably do better than a non Muslim accountant.

 

[Tryin']

@BehindBlueI's

If discrimination is good to go under one job requirement, why not under another?

What I have seen is the inverse:

"You can't discriminate here so you can't discriminate  there". And there becomes here and the cycle repeats.

There are obviously-religious institutions and there are obviously-secular institutions. The middle is gray and the pitch of the fight should be of concern.

Edit to add:

The protected position becomes a protected environment. Speech becomes discrimination based on the protected position and the violation string begins.

Are we there yet? I dunno, but it sure seems to be coming fast.

 

[cg21]

So they can FORCE you to hire certain religions/races/sexes but they can also force you to NOT hire certain religions/races/sexes? Seems you cannot have it both ways…..


Why not let capitalism sort it all out???? Let’s use the famous Christian baker as an example didn’t want to make the cake for a marriage he doesn’t believe in. Instead of FORCING them to make the cake why wouldn’t you let the market sort it out???? Go to a baker with YOUR beliefs to support them! If people agreed with the baker the business would be elevated if they disagreed they would go bankrupt???

The same applies to marketing/hiring/firing/etc if there is a sign on a door that says no heterosexual males allowed I would probably be thankful for the warning and be grateful to take my business elsewhere. The market will resolve all these issues and would take away some of the pettiness.

 

[breakingcontact]

Is this school taking gov money?

 

[tbhausen]

Catholics, prior to the current pope, used to have a commitment to the Bible...now with the communist in Rome, not so much....

We’ve have bad popes before, and we’ll have them again.

 

[Leadeye]

Is this school taking gov money?

A good question.

 

[Cameramonkey]

A good question.

And probably irrelevant. They'd just fall back on accreditation saying they are not following mandated standards that are required for certification as a school. If they arent teaching to the standard, they arent giving the kids the education the state mandates so therefore they cant be a school and deliver "sub par education" at the same time.

 

[Leadeye]

So if they aren't taking state money what does the state do to force them to stop teaching the Catholic faith in the school if it's a privately funded institution?

 

[AndreusMaximus]

So if they aren't taking state money what does the state do to force them to stop teaching the Catholic faith in the school if it's a privately funded institution?

Like Cameramonkey said, they take away their accreditation.

That or they bankrupt them by people suing them and making them pay huge fines for "discriminatory" hiring practices.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Like Cameramonkey said, they take away their accreditation.

That or they bankrupt them by people suing them and making them pay huge fines for "discriminatory" hiring practices.

Yep. Why take your kid there if he's going to "graduate" and no top tier higher ed institution will take the kid because they didnt officially go to school.

At least that is the perception. But not reality. Its still possible. Happens all the time with homeschoolers. My MiL worked in admissions at IUPUC. They accept the student for 1 semester on academic probation. Kid either proves they can hack it or they cant. If they can they continue to attend. And if a school like Duke, Stanford, etc wont play that game, you send your kid to a school nearby that will, and then transfer into that preferred school. A PITA but possible.

 

[Brad69]

Nazis and Catholics?

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