Centerfire rifles using handgun cartridges not allowed for state or public deer

[chipbennett]

Here is the bill in question:

House Bill 1415 - Various natural resources matters - Indiana General Assembly, 2017 Session

Text:

Indiana General Assembly, 2017 Session

Like others, I'm not seeing how the changes in THIS bill have impacted the public-vs-private statutory language extant prior to the bill. Perhaps someone can explain?

SECTION 6. IC 14-22-2-8, AS ADDED BY P.L.110-2016, SECTION 1, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2017]: Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020.
(b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following:
(1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land.
(2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches.
(3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger. one (1) of the following cartridges:
(A) .243.
(B) .30-30.
(C) .300.
(D) .30-06.
(E) .308.
(4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches.
(4) (5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section.
(5)(6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department.
(c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful.
(d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020.
(e) This section expires June 30, 2020


Bold designates new wording. Red indicates wording to be removed.

 

[NKBJ]

We all need to contact our legislators and let them know how much we want them to get this fixed!

No, you need to fire them.

 

[gmcttr]

I've only scanned this thread but read this in the local paper today...Oh deer: Indiana legal error bars public land rifle hunting , and thought it might be pertinent.

"(Rep. Sean) Eberhart (R-Shelbyville) said he hopes to come up with a short-term solution and then fix the law when the Legislature reconvenes in January."

 

[d.kaufman]

Seen this article tonight. Admits they made a mistake, but probably won't be fixed until next year.
New law leads to confusion for deer hunters | WANE

 

[gundawg]

There is no "quick fix" guys.

They would need to reconvene the House and Senate and pass an amendment, then the governor would need to sign it.

Ain't happenin.

They effed up and we get screwed.

The end.

 

[gundawg]

I'm not sure what is worse, the idea that none of these tools in the state legislature actually read the laws they vote on, or the idea that they do read them and have no idea what the words in plain English mean.

 

[Ithaca45]

I talked to a CO who works our county (Noble) at the Dept. Wednesday evening and he showed me the email they got from command dated I believe Oct. 3. It clearly states that all rifles are illegal on public land this season. We reviewed the actual law and it's clear also, they really screwed this up.

 

[NKBJ]

Ithaca45,
From what you observed are all rifles illegal or only cartridge rifles?

 

[NKBJ]

Guess it's a good thing a replacement rear barrel band was picked up for the flintlock musket to mount a rear sight. Gosh I wonder what would look nice and be reliably functional.

 

[Walking Bear]

[FONT=&quot]All the rifle cartridges that were legal in recent years are legal now only on private land.




From the DNR website pretty clear to me[/FONT]

 

[Ithaca45]

All centerfire cartridge rifles. Muzzleloaders are still ok as are shotguns on public land.

 

[CountryBoy19]

I'm not sure what is worse, the idea that none of these tools in the state legislature actually read the laws they vote on, or the idea that they do read them and have no idea what the words in plain English mean.

It's not that they failed to read the law. It's that they failed to define "rifle" in that section of code, and the general definition of rifle includes PCRs. They furthermore, failed to realize that this broad definition of rifle overstepped the new code into controlling PCRs that were previously allowed through NRC admin rules. The admin rules were fine until the legislature wrote code that over-rules them...

 

[Bsj425]

Good thing I spent well over $1,000 getting my suppressed .300blk bolt action JUST for this season The government is useless.

 

[Bigtanker]

Good thing I spent well over $1,000 getting my suppressed .300blk bolt action JUST for this season The government is useless.

You wouldn't have been able to use it on public land anyway. That hasn't been made legal yet. You can still use it on private land.

 

[Bsj425]

You wouldn't have been able to use it on public land anyway. That hasn't been made legal yet. You can still use it on private land.

Ah good, must have missed that part. There has been a lot of back and forth and mis-information going around about this.

 

[NKBJ]

Good thing I spent well over $1,000 getting my suppressed .300blk bolt action JUST for this season The government is useless.

If you ran a business and found out an employee was stealing from you, what would you do?
Worse than stealing your money these employees are stealing your freedom.

 

[Joniki]

FIXED>>> State clarifies rifle laws ahead of deer season | WANE

 

[Ggreen]

Copy of the email they are sending out notifying people on the list of the emergency ruling that has been put in place.

 

[Joniki]

Copy of the email they are sending out notifying people on the list of the emergency ruling that has been put in place.

I just posted this...