I know that carrying at church has been discussed many times here and that carrying on church property that includes a daycare is prohibited; but what is considered 'daycare property'? Here is my situation. The church that I attend has a daycare that is in a separate building adjacent to the church itself. They are separated by an alley which is maintained by the city. Am I legal to carry to; and inside the church itself as long as I do not enter the daycare itself? What if I park across the alley in the lot next to the building with the daycare and cross the alley and go into the church, am I OK in the parking lot?
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For the same reasons that I would carry anywhere else. Crime can and does happen everywhere. I'll admit, the probability of a violent crime at church is very low, but it can and has happened. Not to mention being able to carry to and from.
From a legal stand point you have an interesting question. Im not sure what the answer would be. Sounds like a good question for the gun lawyer. I will say that I totally support carrying to church. I always do and did this morning. j-frame in ankle holster. Best luck with finding a solution.
I carry in church. There are a great deal of emotions brought forth in church with members and NON-attending spouses and such. I carry there like I carry anywhere, be smart and be ready. I consider myself a full blown sheepdog.
djl02, that is a worthless comment that can only be meant to start a fight or to bump your post count.
Habib, I am not a lawyer, but I did live at a Holiday In Express for a summer. If the alley is still under city control then the properties are separate units. I would say that you should be good to go. However until you speak with an Attorney about this I would make sure that concealment and caution are taken. If something happens, and I certainly hope it does not, no matter the law, the court of public opinion ought to be on your side.
Habib, I am not a lawyer, but I did live at a Holiday In Express for a summer. If the alley is still under city control then the properties are separate units. I would say that you should be good to go. However until you speak with an Attorney about this I would make sure that concealment and caution are taken. If something happens, and I certainly hope it does not, no matter the law, the court of public opinion ought to be on your side.
Contact the church leadership if you want to guarantee being in the clear. If those in charge of the school put you in the position of providing security, you are exempt from that law on that property. If you want to make it attractive to them, agree that the "pay" for them to employ you in that position shall be one dollar per week and that you want the full amount subtracted from your net pay and deposited in the collection plate. 
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Homeless, it could also be him just doing the online equivalent of "thinking out loud", rather than attempting to start a fight or bump a post count. I don't know what the purpose of the post is, but it does do what the minimum-post-count rule is supposed to do: It lets us get to know that facet of djl's mindset and thinking.
Speaking for myself, I don't attend an organized worship service (and no, that has nothing to do with the service having organ music!
) but if I did and found that I could not carry there, I would cease going to that service.
I have no intention to start or continue any fights and I think my post count is plenty high
. It's just one detail about me; I don't like going places where I have to be defenseless. In most cases, I can make the choice not to do so. In some others, (such as a workplace) that choice is made uncomfortable enough that it is more to my benefit to have it nearby and to protect myself in other ways.
Blessings,
Bill
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Homeless, it could also be him just doing the online equivalent of "thinking out loud", rather than attempting to start a fight or bump a post count. I don't know what the purpose of the post is, but it does do what the minimum-post-count rule is supposed to do: It lets us get to know that facet of djl's mindset and thinking.
Speaking for myself, I don't attend an organized worship service (and no, that has nothing to do with the service having organ music!
) but if I did and found that I could not carry there, I would cease going to that service. I have no intention to start or continue any fights and I think my post count is plenty high
. It's just one detail about me; I don't like going places where I have to be defenseless. In most cases, I can make the choice not to do so. In some others, (such as a workplace) that choice is made uncomfortable enough that it is more to my benefit to have it nearby and to protect myself in other ways.Blessings,
Bill
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I just taught a CPR class for a church East of Indy... out in the country, and they have put several of there ushers through an abbreviated pistol course and they all now CC in church... and they are keeping it hush hush to the rest of the membership.
IMHO, it says nothing about my salvation. I have complete faith in God for the path of my life. I also know that he has equipped me with different things in my life so I can do His work. Owning and carrying firearms is just one part of that equation. I guess for the sake of comparison, think about this, I have faith that God will keep me fed and a roof over my head. But I still have to go to work to earn money for those things. Bad things happen every where because God gave each of us free will. There will always be people that try to impose their will against ours.
redneckmedic
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Come on fellers, lets keep it on topic here 
At the risk of jacking my own thread, to me it says nothing about Salvation. Salvation comes from Gods grace and Christ's willing sacrifice for my sins, not my ability to protect the life and family that God has blessed me with.
Indy_Guy_77
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To the OP:
On the surface, it would indeed seem that you're "legal" due to the city-maintained alley between the buildings. An alley is a roadway...and roadways also legally separate someone's home from a school. (Homeowner who lives directly across from a school can legally have firearms at home)
However, keep in mind that the parking lot associated with the licensed daycare is also verboten. Park elsewhere.
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On the surface, it would indeed seem that you're "legal" due to the city-maintained alley between the buildings. An alley is a roadway...and roadways also legally separate someone's home from a school. (Homeowner who lives directly across from a school can legally have firearms at home)
However, keep in mind that the parking lot associated with the licensed daycare is also verboten. Park elsewhere.
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What I'm not sure about is who actually owns the alley. I know that the city would not allow the church build a walkway between the buildings, but I don't know if the city owns the alley or if they just have an easement, or if that even matters. What further complicates things is that the part of the alley that is between the buildings is paved along with the parking lot. The rest of the alley is gravel. It's not obvious that part is part of the alley it looks like the rest of the parking lot.
Indy_Guy_77
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OP, it might be worth talking to someone at the city as to the "ownership" of the alley. Like perhaps the city surveyor?
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