Civil Religious Discussions : all things Christianity II

[2A_Tom]

BLM is a Socialist Terrorist organization! There are some that do not realize that and have affiliated themselves with BLM. they are useful idiots (a Socialist Marxist term).

BLM does not care in the least for black lives. If they did they would be working to make their communities safer for black people.

Huey Newton founded the BPP on the premise that they would do no harm to their own, (BLM burns, loots and murders in their own communities) They would help meet the needs of their community, (BLM does nothing for black people) and that that thee would police their own communities. That is something I could get behind

Even the Huey Newton Gun Club guidelines condemn their actions.

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The Huey P. Newton Gun Club (Alpha Company Requirements & Guidelines) 1. Read and understand the ideology of Huey P. Newton, through books and his speeches. Constant political education is required. Our primary function is as a collective based developing political ideology and programs to educate the people. We are NOT a Panther formation of present-day or past design, The Black Panther Party existed from 1966-1982, since then there have been several revisions or efforts to resurrect the Party. We do not wish to follow that path but desire only to stand and exist on the ideals of Huey P. Newton and grow further in the 21 century. 2. Each local cadre is autonomous to their own community. 3. Local meetings required on a monthly basis at a minimum. 4. The company will not exclude any person based on race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, or religious beliefs from joining. 5. Respect ALL elders and former members of the BPP, BLA, SNCC, PG-RNA, and RAM. 6. ALL members are to purchase an HPNGC- Alpha cadre patch and work diligently to purchase at one handgun and one rifle, and other such items necessary to carry out self-defense training and maneuvers. 7. The Alpha Company, its allies, and comrades, in its entirety, will hold political education locally on February 17th of each year as a celebration. This will be called “Huey P. Newton Day” 8. Each Chapter will continually seek to recruit new members and promote Revolutionary Intercommunalism.​

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[FONT=&quot]Professional Warrior Ethic 13 Points of Attention

1. SPEAK POLITELY.
2. PAY FAIRLY FOR WHAT YOU BUY.
3. RETURN EVERYTHING YOU BORROW.
4. PAY FOR ANYTHING YOU DAMAGE.
5. DO NOT HIT OR SWEAR AT THE PEOPLE.
6. DO NOT DAMAGE THE PROPERTY, OR CROPS OF THE POOR OPPRESSED MASSES.
7. DO NOT TAKE LIBERTIES WITH WOMEN.
8. ALWAYS GUIDE AND PROTECT THE CHILDREN.
9. REMEMBER YOU ARE THE SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE.
10. NEVER FORGET THAT EVERY REVOLUTIONARY ACT IS AN ACT OF LOVE & RESPECT.
11. LIVE BY HONOR, AND WHEN THE TIME PRESENTS ITSELF, DIE BY HONOR.
12. NEVER LET A DAY PASS THAT YOU HAVE NOT ALLOWED TIME FOR YOUR TRAINING.
13. REMEMBER THAT AT ALL TIMES YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE HUEY P NEWTON GUN CLUB.

HPNGC By-Laws

1. No member will handle a firearm while intoxicated
2. No member will point a firearm at the public loaded or unloaded
3. No member will participate in illegal activities while wearing club patch or logo
4. All members must purchase and wear club patch
5. All members must legally purchase a firearm
6. Membership must refrain from speaking to the media without proper clearance
7. No members will speak to law enforcement about club business
8. No HPNGC Club will accept grants or money from the government
9. No member will quit their post until properly relieved
10. No discussion of religion during club business
11. Club council will deal with all violations



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[JettaKnight]

My first question would be "what is inequality"?

As a conservative Christian, I will only speak for myself.

I make a concerted effort to treat everyone with respect and kindness. I am in favor of helping the helpless and providing for the destitute with the goal of finding a way for them to eventually provide for themselves. However, I understand that this will never happen for some and my compassion should still extend to these people. I do not want people to have their opportunities limited externally based upon immutable characteristics. However, all people will not always have equal opportunities for a myriad of reasons. I would like to extend help in the form of extending opportunities to people who started life with less of them, but I am not in favor of placing people in positions they have not earned. In sum, I want to treat people well regardless of who they are or their ethnicity or race.

...so I am wondering just what "inequality" means in this context. Inequality in results?

You've kind of uncovered the problem. On a macro scale, we can see there's inequality in lending, jobs, education, crime... but on a micro scale it's harder see and prove.

I'll agree that affirmative action isn't the right way.



One thing I'm hopeful for is our church's move from Vanilla Village to downtown.

 

[HoughMade]

You've kind of uncovered the problem. On a macro scale, we can see there's inequality in lending, jobs, education, crime... but on a micro scale it's harder see and prove.

I'll agree that affirmative action isn't the right way.

One thing I'm hopeful for is our church's move from Vanilla Village to downtown.

Inequality on a macro scale in the areas you identified are likely not the result of overt, or even latent intentional discrimination. The laws are already in place to address them. Some, perhaps not all causes, reside in the realm of things people don't want to talk about.

 

[JettaKnight]

BLM is a Socialist Terrorist organization! There are some that do not realize that and have affiliated themselves with BLM. they are useful idiots (a Socialist Marxist term).[FONT=&amp]
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You're preaching to choir, Tom.

BLM does not care in the least for black lives. If they did they would be working to make their communities safer for black people.

That's completely disingenuous - BLM does care about black lives, their solution is just entirely wrong and racist. They perceive a threat, (white cops) and they think they're making the their communities safer by getting whitey out (and unemployed).

 

[JettaKnight]

Inequality on a macro scale in the areas you identified are likely not the result of overt, or even even latent intentional discrimination. The laws are already in place to address them. Some, perhaps not all causes, reside in the realm of things people don't want to talk about.

That's where my thinking is; and it makes the problem more intractable.

 

[2A_Tom]

When I was the HREO NCO for my Battalion, one of my responsibilities was to investigate any accusations of discrimination brought to my attention.

Then with the HREO Officer attempt to rectify the matter whether Military or Civilian.

In the two years that I had the job I did not have any complaints, in spite of an open door policy and implied anonymity.

 

[JettaKnight]

Here's a case in point:

A young boy starts a lemonade stand, and gives the money to Black Lives Matter.

At least that's how the media describes it. Even the boy described it like that:

Clark explained, "I was thinking, what could I do to make money. So, I thought what if I do a lemonade stand, but then I thought Oh, with all of this Black Lives Matter stuff happening, why don’t I do it to donate to Black Lives Matter."

Did (or will) any money actually go to BLM?

Nope.


In fact, it's not leaving Fort Wayne.

All of the money raised from the lemonade stand and bake sale will go to the Family and Friends Fund, which is a donor-advised fund that’s investing in BIPOC-led businesses and nonprofits in southeast Fort Wayne.

Here's the confusion, and where the general public is so confused about what is, and is not, Black Lives Matter. Here's where you need to be careful about a blanket condemnation.

 

[2A_Tom]

Did I mention charities that help people of any color? NO! Did your priest call out those organizations? NO!

Anyone with sense would realize we are both talking of the violent actions of BLM, ANTIFA and their NEFARIOUS hangers on. That includes those that allow themselves to be used as human shields.

 

[JettaKnight]

Did I mention charities that help people of any color? NO! Did your priest call out those organizations? NO!

Anyone with sense would realize we are both talking of the violent actions of BLM, ANTIFA and their NEFARIOUS hangers on. That includes those that allow themselves to be used as human shields.

Who are you yelling at?

 

[foszoe]

If we treated Jews and Christians the same way that some blanket statement BLM then we would have to condemn the actions of the Hebrews in the Old Testament and we would also have to condemn all Christian for the action of Christian militants.

Things things that are done in the Name of Christ and God are not always done in the will of Christ in God.

Sin is a sickness in all individuals. I believe that change in this world will come about as a result of individuals and how they treat other individuals. As Christians we need to rise above viewing another person as simply a member of a group but as a soul in need of healing and salvation.

 

[2A_Tom]

I don't get out much, but in the last week I have had two interactions with black people. On both occasions the conversations were very polite and upbeat.

Black people are not BLM. BLM is not representative of all black people. All BLM members are a part of the problem.

 

[JettaKnight]

I don't get out much, but in the last week I have had two interactions with black people. On both occasions the conversations were very polite and upbeat.

Black people are not BLM. BLM is not representative of all black people. All BLM members are a part of the problem.

We all know that here.


OK, OK, let me say again: There are people (not part of the INGO enlightened) who say they're with, or support, BLM, that have absolutely nothing to do with BLM.


That why when you say, "BLM is the problem!", You're bound to ruffle some feathers.

 

[T.Lex]

We all know that here.


OK, OK, let me say again: There are people (not part of the INGO enlightened) who say they're with, or support, BLM, that have absolutely nothing to do with BLM.


That why when you say, "BLM is the problem!" You bound to ruffle some feathers.

I would even go a bit further and say that one can support an organization's goals without supporting the organization.

If the NRA organized a gun rights protest, I might attend, even though I have no interest in supporting the NRA.

People can support the social justice goals of BLM without supporting the latent fascist/anarchist infrastructure that may (or may not) be part of it.

 

[HoughMade]

I would even go a bit further and say that one can support an organization's goals without supporting the organization.

If the NRA organized a gun rights protest, I might attend, even though I have no interest in supporting the NRA.

People can support the social justice goals of BLM without supporting the latent fascist/anarchist infrastructure that may (or may not) be part of it.

All I would say is that I support the aim of the slogan, but will have nothing to do with the organization.

The smartest thing this anti-family, marxist, radical organization did was name itself with a term that is supportable.

 

[2A_Tom]

I believe that anyone that looks at the actions of these terrorists and supports them in any way shape or form is part of the problem.

BLM is not the solution. It is profoundly the problem.

 

[abnk]

My friend, I don't think you're really misreading my post as starkly as it appears.



Well, if you are lumping "BLM, Antifa, and their nefarious acolytes" together, then you are making the same mistake Fr. Ted does.

I was using his phrase since it's the crux of our discussion.

 

[JettaKnight]

I believe that anyone that looks at the actions of these terrorists and supports them in any way shape or form is part of the problem.

BLM is not the solution. It is profoundly the problem.

I can't tell if I should just silently nod and agree, or carry on this conversation.

Is there anyone here saying BLM is a good organization?

Do you understand the point I (and T.Lex) am making?



There's a whole thread devoted to "BLM is bad, mmkay", but here we're talking about a priest's message condemning it, and what he did (or didn't) do wrong.

 

[churchmouse]

Stay on point please.

Good discussions in here.

 

[JettaKnight]

California preachers are getting antsy.
https://www.newsweek.com/california...ockdown-order-says-hell-obey-word-god-1517962


I watched one of his sermons - he waved around his Bible, but never opened. Read few partial verses from his notes and used them out of context.

 

[HoughMade]

Romans 13 never really makes it onto the sermon list with these guys...