Concern over IU's political agenda

[Zimm1001]

My oldest son is a freshman at Indiana University this fall. In one of his business classes a IU club wanted help in reaching more students and increase fund raising. This was being used as a class graded project. The club's focus was supposed to be on date rape awareness however further research into the group indicated the true focus of the group was "social justice".

I informed my son that Social Justice was another name for redistribution of wealth and had real misgivings about helping such a group.

No real point here other than I was very disappointed in the school for trying to teach my son this liberal crap. He is too smart to fall for it but still.
On a side note I just looked out my window and it is snowing. Woohoo!

 

[redneckmedic]

Doesn't "social justice" also mean "street revenge"? That paired with "date rape awareness" can't be good news.

 

[Eddie]

When I went there in the 90's they didn't even have a Criminology department, they called it "Criminal Justice" instead. The faculty was extremely liberal. One of the professors even had an ex-con as an adjunct instructor. (Until the guy got busted for dealing drugs.) It doesn't surprise me that IU would take an issue like date rape and try to put a socialist spin on it.

 

[4sarge]

Social justice, sometimes called civil justice, is a concept largely based on various social contract theories. Most variations on the concept hold that as governments are instituted among populations for the benefit of members of those populations, those governments which fail to see to the welfare of their citizens are failing to uphold their part in the social contract and are, therefore, unjust. The concept usually includes, but is not limited to, upholding human rights; many variants also contain some statements concerning more equitable distributions of wealth and resources.

The term "social justice" is generally so phrased in order to distinguish this particular concept from concepts of justice in law — some of which, according to their critics, are decidedly unjust in a social sense — and from concepts of justice as embedded in systems of morality which may differ between cultures.

Social justice refers to the overall fairness of a society in its divisions of rewards and burdens.

"Social Justice" is also one of the Four Pillars of the Green Party upheld by the worldwide green parties. As stated by several local branches, this is the principle that all persons are entitled to "basic human needs", regardless of "superficial differences such as economic disparity, class, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, religion, age, sexual orientation, disability, or health".

This includes the eradication of poverty and illiteracy, the establishment of sound environmental policy, and equality of opportunity for healthy personal and social development.

"Social Justice" is a primarily Leftist and Liberal concept


Criticism of the notion of Social Justice

Social Justice sometimes is thought to mean the promotion of equality through comprehensive government action. In practice this intervention has not often produced equitable results, resulting in favoritism towards classes of people, restrictions of personal liberty and excessive regulatory burdens. Many critics regard the guarantee of equal outcomes implicit in many social justice movements antithetical to the notion of equal opportunity, as it frequently requires special, favored treatment to arbitrary classes of people. Actual justice, they argue, holds all persons to the same standards and does not penalize success nor reward failure, but holds all persons to the same standards regardless of their race, ethnic origin, financial condition, religion or beliefs.
People concerned with social justice may hold some or all of the following beliefs:
Historical inequities should be corrected by governmental action until the actual inequities no longer exist. Temporary favoritism towards some classes of people is acceptable if it advances important public policy goals. It is government's responsibility to ensure a basic quality of life for all its citizens. People who are critics of this notion may hold some or all of the following beliefs:
Favoritism as a policy is inherently unjust. Those that succeed should not be penalized by being compelled to support those who do not. Personal liberty is more important than government's social policies. Social Justice is just a cover for social engineering, which is expensive and always fails

 

[Hawkeye]

I really hate the term "social justice". To me it typifies the squsihy neo leftist pseduo liberal mindset that society is evilly keeping the "have-nots" in some sort of downtrodden state of servitude.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

If your kid is a freshman at IU and this kind of thing gets you riled up....buckle up, It's going to be a long, bumpy ride.

 

[Expat]

Social Justice... I know some of you hate Glen Beck, but he occasionally shows a tape of some black gentleman (seems like he was a professor) saying that white folk had a lot to answer for in this country. That is social justice. It is all about reparations. Not just cash payments, but affirmative action and quotas too. I think it was Van Jones that he shows saying that white folk need to leave their positions of power to make room for the less fortunate to take them.

I started down there in 79. I think things were already headed toward the toilet then. The homosexual rights groups were marching around campus. The profs in Poli Sci were all libtards except one (really cool former CIA Cold War spook (field agent, not analyst)). The Business school was still okay and mostly were typical business people. The science department were mostly long haired dope smoking hippies.

 

[Leadeye]

You had me at fund raising. After sending two sons through the university I believe that the only thing it really wants is to drain every cent you have, in any way possible, as fast as they can.

 

[Expat]

You had me at fund raising. After sending two sons through the university I believe that the only thing it really wants is to drain every cent you have, in any way possible, as fast as they can.

When we went through orientation a few years back when the daughter went down there, I liked the speech we got on getting over the idea this was a 4 year thing. We should be prepared for more like 6... yeah, they want the money.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I have never understood why people, who by all accounts, paid an arm and a leg for their education would give MORE money to a college after they graduate. After Butler U soaked us for our son's education, I told them - in no uncertain terms - they weren't getting another cent from us, so don't bother asking again.

 

[cosermann]

. . . No real point here other than I was very disappointed in the school for trying to teach my son this liberal crap. He is too smart to fall for it but still. . .

Really? I mean, you're surprised?
You sent your son to a liberal public university.
What did you expect?

Seriously.

 

[redlegrod]

When I was in college back in the 90's I was studying finance and most of the business professors were still pretty conservative. I have a friend who is in college now and informs me now even in business classes the liberal agenda is starting to spread.

 

[Lucas156]

You get to a certain point that you can see right through the liberal bias in a lot of things today. Schools and tv are the first two things that instantly come to my mind. I can't hardly stand to watch that much tv because of it.

 

[Zimm1001]

If your kid is a freshman at IU and this kind of thing gets you riled up....buckle up, It's going to be a long, bumpy ride.

That's what I am afraid of!

 

[Zimm1001]

Really? I mean, you're surprised?
You sent your son to a liberal public university.
What did you expect?

Seriously.

Good point. Honestly it was his decision where to go. I am a lifelong Indiana resident but never really an IU fan so I never knew anything about the school. My bad.

 

[abrumlev]

Hehe...I'm a senior at IU. I did two years in the Kelley School and went ot a Chemistry major. I was disgusted about the way it was ran. Out of state kids were given priority for the amount of tuition they pay.

The older professors know what's up and they're the good ones but the people in charge of the business school and the school in general are so liberal it annoys me.

 

[EnochRoot43]

Isn't it amazing how the highest concentrations of liberal people and liberal thought are found in places where they cannot be held to account for their use of public money or the fruit of their labor?

 

[Wink and the Gun]

Most universities, public or private, are hotbeds of liberalism/marxism/socialism. Generally the more tech (math, engineering, etc) oriented schools and departments are better, and there are two schools that have refused government funding in order to maintain their freedom and are both really good schools and strong conservative schools: Hillsdale and I forget the other one...

The key is that you just always take what the prof says with a grain of salt, and check the facts for yourself, regardless of what beliefs your prof has.

 

[Soundslikejosh]

You think a college freshman isn't going to be exposed to liberal ideas? Since when have colleges been anything but?

 

[cadan]

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"Social Justice" is also one of the Four Pillars of the Green Party upheld by the worldwide green parties.

I find it interesting the green party adopts also the contradictory concept of nonviolence. When violence, or the threat of its use, is the only means government has at its disposal to implement its will, how can it be said that implementing social justice does not require exercising violence? I asked a green candidate this question at the county fair a couple months back, I was a bit astonished to hear back the reply denying the concept of private property (no absolute standards, just a made-up social convention), which is tantamount to a denial of the concept that one owns his own body and labor. He went on to say that "we can't take these ideas absolutely" and affirmed the use of violence was justified to take property [justly] earned by some [the rich] and give it to others.