Contaminated packing materials on Chinese-made items?

[Thor]

While I disagree with your position,

So...you like Chinese fish harvested from the waters of the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan etc. with their trawlers being escorted by their navy? Doing business with a country that is turning coral reefs into military bases? This is not directed at you but at the actions of the ChiComs that we seem to be taking as okay so long as the Walmart is stocked full of cheap stuff.

I'll just end with the Bartle's and James statement...Thank you for your support...

 

[mammynun]

So...you like Chinese fish harvested from the waters of the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan etc. with their trawlers being escorted by their navy? Doing business with a country that is turning coral reefs into military bases? This is not directed at you but at the actions of the ChiComs that we seem to be taking as okay so long as the Walmart is stocked full of cheap stuff.

I'll just end with the Bartle's and James statement...Thank you for your support...

I never said I liked them, but they're not my enemy* either.


* I define an enemy as someone who is actively trying to kill me.

 

[KG1]

IBCMCIW *PASTT*

 

[jcwit]

Once again, check out where your Nikon camera is made!

 

[exbrit]

not sure where you get your info

So...you like Chinese fish harvested from the waters of the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan etc. with their trawlers being escorted by their navy? Doing business with a country that is turning coral reefs into military bases? This is not directed at you but at the actions of the ChiComs that we seem to be taking as okay so long as the Walmart is stocked full of cheap stuff.

I'll just end with the Bartle's and James statement...Thank you for your support...

Thor nothing personal, but I wonder where you get your information? I have spent quite a lot of time in all the countries you mention and have never seen any of the issues you cite. I have spent a lot of time in the Philippines, especially General Santos City. This is their major tuna fishing port and no one at the port even the managers have ever mentioned a problem with the Chinese. Same is true for Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Singapore. It's usually the Japanese that push their luck fishing close to other countries 12 mile limits.

I have said my piece and this is the last I will write or respond to on the subject.
As I noted in my first post, I have spent a lot of time in China and in Asia and my post was based on my own personal experiences over a 20 year period.

 

[Thor]

Thor nothing personal, but I wonder where you get your information? I have spent quite a lot of time in all the countries you mention and have never seen any of the issues you cite. I have spent a lot of time in the Philippines, especially General Santos City. This is their major tuna fishing port and no one at the port even the managers have ever mentioned a problem with the Chinese. Same is true for Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Singapore. It's usually the Japanese that push their luck fishing close to other countries 12 mile limits.

I have said my piece and this is the last I will write or respond to on the subject.
As I noted in my first post, I have spent a lot of time in China and in Asia and my post was based on my own personal experiences over a 20 year period.

Nothing personal taken. You are not the only person to have traveled to foreign shores, many of them even. At almost any time in our past what china is doing would have been viewed as economic warfare and we would have dealt with it as such. I congratulate you on the profit you have accumulated. I am a whole hearted advocate of capitalism, just not government supported economic warfare.

 

[BugI02]

Cob, describe the smell of the grease for me.

I am thinking it's silver nitrate (dark green?), but smell would help.

Nanothermite?

 

[BugI02]

I am sitting and wondering how many of the respondents on this issue have actually been inside a Chinese manufacturing facility or even visited China?
I see the stones thrown at the Chinese constantly and I get frustrated as I have spent over 25 years visiting and auditing Chinese manufacturing facilities. I have found most of them to be first class and sadly, many of them put some of their US counterparts to shame.
There is a major problem in the way American retail chains push for lower pricing, at the cost of quality! Several of our major retail chains specifically buy at the lowest price they can and in many cases actually force the manufacturer to use lower quality components and materials.
I saw this happen many times and shook my head in disbelief. One of our major retail chains sells slacks and shirts made in China and they are passable but would not be accepted by the Chinese in their own markets! I buy all my clothes in China and the quality is superb. A pair of really nice, fully lined dress slacks cost me less than $9. The reduced quality ones sold by a major US retailer are awful when compared with the normal Chinese quality. Same is true of shirts and many other items.
Chinese factories are usually very clean and well lit, with modern state of the art equipment. This is tough to say but most of my Chinese suppliers ship me a higher quality product than my US suppliers. Many of these factories also provide housing for the workers as well as health care.
The average factory worker makes approx. $150/month, very low compared with US wages but the cost of living is extremely low. Virtually all Chinese use a high end cell phone and are in many cases dress and eat better than their US counterparts. They live very well and their life style is improving constantly.
Yes we have more freedoms here in the USA and I wouldn’t change my citizenship, I value it highly! But I do think we need to question these ongoing negative comments about Chinese business and products. The continual verbal attacks are misplaced.
These comments are based on companies I have visited all over China, from Guangzhou Province all the way up to Liaoning province. Yes there are companies I would not approve, but most were more than willing to bring their quality standards to ISO 9000 or higher and some wentr ahead and obtained the required Quality Standards and have become very succesful.
In reading the OP ,it would be very hard to cause Ecchymosis from chemical residue contact. I would suspect that the bruising was caused by another event, perhaps an accidental knock etc.

DECKER & TRIPLETT: China's poisonous exports - Washington Times

 

[BugI02]

Once again, check out where your Nikon camera is made!

Yessss. Take a respected brandname, outsource many components to low wage, low rights, low rule of law economies. Then use pricing power to crush any domestic competitors or force them to act similarly to remain price competitive.

Soon the formerly respected brand name is getting perhaps 15% of the wholesale, while the dark economy gets the rest and the domestic competition gets squeezed out. The name brand itself is left on thin ice and the dark economy learns a great deal about manufacturing sophisticated products by making such under contract. Eventually they launch their own products which tariffs and regulations heavily favor for domestic consumption, giving them a secure base from which to penetrate overseas markets

Where is the iPhone made, again?

 

[exbrit]

In researching the link provided by Bug 102 The article he linked to was later corrected and See the following
* [FONT=&quot]Correction: It was later shown that the testing methods used by consumer-advocacy group GoodGuide did not meet federal standards, and Mr. Squiggles was exonerated. iin other words the claims made were NOT substantiated [/FONT]

 

[BugI02]

In researching the link provided by Bug 102 The article he linked to was later corrected and See the following
* [FONT=&amp]Correction: It was later shown that the testing methods used by consumer-advocacy group GoodGuide did not meet federal standards, and Mr. Squiggles was exonerated. iin other words the claims made were NOT substantiated [/FONT]

So you ignore or gloss over (from the same reference):

"In April 2011, for example, the Food and Drug Administration issued 197 import refusals for Chinese goods, compared to 107 for India and 105 for Mexico, the two next most prolific purveyors of bad merchandise. Some of the 197 goods refused for entry into America included hazardous cardiograph machines, cosmetics, pet medicine, diet drugs, orthodontic parts, surgical bandages, frozen spinach, asparagus and candy."

"The inspector’s note on a batch of refused fish gave this reason for his thumb’s down: “The article appears to consist in whole or in part of a filthy, putrid or decomposed substance or be otherwise unfit for food.”

"Unfortunately, merely stopping a poisonous product at a port of entry doesn’t necessarily prevent it from ending up in an American home because corrupt Chinese exporters often re-ship refused products, hoping they will eventually slip past U.S. officials. In no uncertain terms, nothing from China can be assumed to be safe."

"In February 2011, a research team from Thomas Jefferson University Hospital tested lead levels in ceramic plates, bowls, teacups, spoons and other items that were made in the People's Republic of China (PRC) and offered for sale in shops in Philadelphia’s Chinatown neighborhood as well as Chinese-made wares sold at stores elsewhere. Among all this kitchenware, 25.3 percent of the products from Chinatown were lead-positive and 10 percent of the Chinese goods from outside Chinatown had lead in them. “We were astounded - astounded - to find so many of them positive for lead,” said Dr. Gerald O’Malley, a toxicologist who spearheaded the study and warned that lead in Chinese products presents a serious public health threat. Lead in eating utensils can seep into food and beverages, poisoning unsuspecting innocents."

In 2011, Tween Brands Inc. recalled 137,000 pieces of jewelry marketed for kids 12 years old and under for containing dangerously high levels of cadmium, a metallic chemical that can cause cancer and damage to the liver and bones, resulting in death or brain retardation in the young. The state of California limits cadmium content in jewelry to a tiny 0.03 percent; some of the recalled Tween Brands products had cadmium levels of 69 percent.


Chinese-made jewelry pulled off the shelves by the Consumer Products Safety Commission in 2010 included items that had cadmium levels of over 90 percent. “On the CDC’s [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] priority list of 275 most hazardous substances in the environment, cadmium ranks No. 7,” according to the Associated Press. In the past few years, toxic Chinese products sold to American kids have included dolls, toy trucks, Elmo, Big Bird, Dora the Explorer, Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer, the Princess and the Frog, and Best Friends bracelets, to name just a few.

In 2011, there were cases in America of Chinese berries laced with salmonella and rotted fish coated with pesticides. In one four-month period, “The FDA rejected 298 shipments from China that included ‘filthy’ fruits, cancer-causing shrimp and ‘poisonous’ swordfish,” according to Consumer Reports. In many cases, to hide dodgy items such as rotten meat, Chinese exporters label the containers as something entirely different, such as dried flowers.


It’s not just our human loved ones that are at risk from toxic Chinese products; our little furry friends aren’t safe either. In 2007, 154 brands of pet food with Chinese ingredients were recalled after thousands of cat and dog deaths and illnesses were reported in connection with poisoning from melamine, a chemical used in fertilizer, pools and fire retardants. The same year, the U.S. government held back 20 million American chickens from going to market because PRC-sourced feed contained melamine.

among many others, you focus on a single instance of retraction. Well played, sir. Mind the sparks from that axe you're grinding

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Yep, the Chinese are so worried about industrial safety...

[video=youtube;rM9jN7z6Lxs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM9jN7z6Lxs[/video]

 

[oldpink]

Whether hazardous chemicals caused cobber's reaction, one thing is clear: China is on a tear of aggression, emboldened by our supine foreign policy, which has taped a giant "KICK ME" sign to our collective back.
Just take a look at their activity in the South China Sea that amounts to incrementally seeking to annex this gigantic expanse of water.

 

[cobber]

Whether hazardous chemicals caused cobber's reaction, one thing is clear: China is on a tear of aggression, emboldened by our supine foreign policy, which has taped a giant "KICK ME" sign to our collective back.
Just take a look at their activity in the South China Sea that amounts to incrementally seeking to annex this gigantic expanse of water.

The South China Sea is a fait accompli for China. The time to block this has long passed, but talking heads will continue to talk ad infinitum. Just like the League of Nations was just about to throw Italy out of Abyssinia, or the Japanese out of Manchuria.

 

[oldpink]

The South China Sea is a fait accompli for China. The time to block this has long passed, but talking heads will continue to talk ad infinitum. Just like the League of Nations was just about to throw Italy out of Abyssinia, or the Japanese out of Manchuria.

I fear you're all too right, and I'm pretty sure that the "KICK ME" sign is about to be replaced with a new sign that says "THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?"

 

[Bill B]

Thor nothing personal, but I wonder where you get your information? I have spent quite a lot of time in all the countries you mention and have never seen any of the issues you cite. I have spent a lot of time in the Philippines, especially General Santos City. This is their major tuna fishing port and no one at the port even the managers have ever mentioned a problem with the Chinese. Same is true for Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Singapore. It's usually the Japanese that push their luck fishing close to other countries 12 mile limits.

I have said my piece and this is the last I will write or respond to on the subject.
As I noted in my first post, I have spent a lot of time in China and in Asia and my post was based on my own personal experiences over a 20 year period.

In a threat to China, Malaysia says it will sink illegal fishing boats in the South China Sea ? Quartz

https://www.rt.com/news/362370-south-korea-fishing-china/

Chinese Illegal Fishing Threatens World Waters | Huffington Post

I too have spent some time in asia, but more importantly I pay attention to world wide news sources

 

[HoughMade]

Yep, the Chinese are so worried about industrial safety...

[video=youtube;rM9jN7z6Lxs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM9jN7z6Lxs[/video]

[video=youtube;ROrpKx3aIjA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrpKx3aIjA[/video]