"Converted To Semi-Auto" Hummm......

[curraheeguns]

I think I'm staying away from this one, far away....

RARE Original 1960's Armalite AR10 AR-10 rifle : Any Other Weapon at GunBroker.com

 

[fyrefyter101]

I dont blame you, 4 grand is a big gamble

 

[curraheeguns]

The $4k isn't the problem. It is the fact that in ATF's eyes this is an unregistered machine gun.

Welding a hole closed doesn't "convert" it to a legal semi-auto firearm. Once a machinegun always a machinegun. You can see where the hole was welded shut just above the selector if you look in the photos close enough. Now if he would have made a brand new semi-auto receiver and put the parts kit on it he would be fine, but he used the original full auto lower.

The guy has no idea what he has or thinks he can get away with it.

 

[baldmax]

I am going to guess he is ignorant.

 

[Andre46996]

You can also see where the receiver was cut!!! It was a demilled parts kit soebody welded back together!!

 

[printcraft]

Has the entire lower been welded together?
Look above the trigger.
Was this cut, ala destroyed, and welded back together???

 

[citizenkane]

I think that is a Hahn machine reweld. He also rewelded M14 recievers way back when. They are pretty collectable. I'll never understand how he got approval but MKS got busted.

Edit to add; I just googled Hahn machine ar10 and didnt come up with anything. Im sure Ive read about them rewelding Ar10's though. Nonetheless, that one is a reweld for sure.

 

[Zombie]

Reweld

There are a couple of threads over on Sturm on this topic.
It is a demilled/rewelded lower-badly done at that!
Looks like they used a nice parts kit for the build though...
WTK AR-10 by Hahn Machine
Sudanese Lower

 

[curraheeguns]

There are a couple of threads over on Sturm on this topic.
It is a demilled/rewelded lower-badly done at that!
Looks like they used a nice parts kit for the build though...
WTK AR-10 by Hahn Machine
Sudanese Lower

Good find, I take it from your avatar you have a AR-10?

Are they a bear to shoot?

cs

 

[Zombie]

Yep-One of each.
They are actually not very punishing at all.
A few years back at Knob Creek, Long Mountain had a
transitional full auto that was a movie gun for $4,500.
I still kick myself over that one! Thought that was
expensive at the time.
Looks like you are in my area-PM me if you would like to shoot one
sometime.
Zombie

 

[alfahornet]

Once a mg always a mg unless receiver was demilled and then rebuild as a semi it's no gambe it's stupid

if it was properly demilled and ATF has it recorded as such and it's been rebuild by a manufacturer it should be fine

 

[theturtle06]

It is in the Class III section of gunbroker, perhaps it HAS been registered?

 

[curraheeguns]

It is in the Class III section of gunbroker, perhaps it HAS been registered?

Yeah, but he has it listed under AOW which it doesn't apply. If it is a reweld then it is not a NFA weapon, it it is a "modified" MG then it is illegal.

The only way it would be a NFA weapon is if it were still a MG and registered, or a rewelded MG which would make it a Post Dealer Sample.

He just doesn't know what he has. I would think if it were a true Hahn Reweld then he would have it listed as such because that would add to the value.

 

[theturtle06]

I see. I am not really all too familiar with NFA laws and figured if it had been re-registered after the mods it would be gravy.

 

[curraheeguns]

I see. I am not really all too familiar with NFA laws and figured if it had been re-registered after the mods it would be gravy.

NFA laws are clear as mud!!

I call friends in the local ATF office once a week at the very least with questions and I end up having to call the WV NFA ATF branch at least a couple times a month when the local office isn't quite sure.

It is all very confusing which is why having a dealer that doesn't mind answering questions, or finding out answers if they don't the the answers, is a must!!

 

[samot]

It is in the Class III section of gunbroker, perhaps it HAS been registered?

Gunbroker has a C3 section ?

 

[theturtle06]

Modern Firearms & Destructive Devices - Firearms at GunBroker.com

They sure do

 

[samot]

Ill be damned!!! I learn something new everyday... Thank you Sir
& to think ive been checking GB everyday for the last 2 yrs & never knew that

 

[HHollow]

Is this the re-weld you guys were discussing?

This one is Kosher. It was done by Hahn machine back in the 1980's and stampped accordingly. Hahn had some sort of exemption from the ATF to do the AR10 rewelds. [although I have never seen a letter] Many since have tried to pass their rewelds off as Hahn's.

I recently acquired the re-welded lower as a part of a trade. It will be refinished to hide that ugly scar.

 

[curraheeguns]

"Some sort of" and "never seen a letter" means I would still never touch it.