Couple of suppressor questions

[japartridge]

OK, one easy, one a little sticky!

1. Can you use standard ammo in a can, without damaging it? I know you can use standard ammo, but is the difference between standard and sub-sonic just the difference in decibels, or is there problems with the can handling the extra pressure?
2. If someone is in possession of a suppressor, and does not have the $200 tax stamp, how can that be rectified without getting the holder of the suppressor in a world of hurt? In this case it was "inherited" by the current holder.

Thanks in advance you sages of INGO.

 

[Bigdee06]

The standard velocity ammo is fine as the suppressor is designed to work with both without any issues. The subsonic ammo just eliminates the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier so you have a lower overall noise level. Your second question will not be answered or commented on in any way by me and I were you I wouldn't have asked it on a public site. But thats just me and I am a little paranoid about such things.

 

[japartridge]

The standard velocity ammo is fine as the suppressor is designed to work with both without any issues. The subsonic ammo just eliminates the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier so you have a lower overall noise level. Your second question will not be answered or commented on in any way by me and I were you I wouldn't have asked it on a public site. But thats just me and I am a little paranoid about such things.

That's what I was thinking on the ammo. As to the other, I look at it this way, It's not me, I do not have it in my possession, and if I can be prosecuted for knowledge, then I'm already screwed!

 

[mjrducky]

OK, one easy, one a little sticky!

1. Can you use standard ammo in a can, without damaging it? I know you can use standard ammo, but is the difference between standard and sub-sonic just the difference in decibels, or is there problems with the can handling the extra pressure?
2. If someone is in possession of a suppressor, and does not have the $200 tax stamp, how can that be rectified without getting the holder of the suppressor in a world of hurt? In this case it was "inherited" by the current holder.

Thanks in advance you sages of INGO.

Standard ammo is fine.

And if your name is not on the Form 4 or on the trust. Then the owner must be with the item. So the owner needs to get it ASAP before it's too late if it's not in his possession.

 

[ssgjason]

If the suppressor in question two was legal to begin with, then you (you being the person in posession of said suppressor) would need to do a form five. SImilar to a form four but no tax. Form 5s still require fingerprints and a CLEO signoff.
You can request info on a suppressor to see if it was registered by asking the BATFE if the serial number is in the registry.
If the suppressor in question two was not registered, then it is just like all other contraband and should be treated as such.

ETA, that "you" part was worded poorly. But I mean the person in possession of the suppressor

 

[Bigdee06]

If it was legal to begin with then I would be with its registered, stamp holding owner, not with whoever happens to have "inherited" it. If you have a suppressor and are not in possesion of the required stamp, unless you are a SOT or a manufacturer you are breaking the law.

 

[japartridge]

Standard ammo is fine.

And if your name is not on the Form 4 or on the trust. Then the owner must be with the item. So the owner needs to get it ASAP before it's too late if it's not in his possession.

and if the owner is now deceased?

 

[japartridge]

If the suppressor in question two was legal to begin with, then you (you being the person in posession of said suppressor) would need to do a form five. SImilar to a form four but no tax. Form 5s still require fingerprints and a CLEO signoff.
You can request info on a suppressor to see if it was registered by asking the BATFE if the serial number is in the registry.
If the suppressor in question two was not registered, then it is just like all other contraband and should be treated as such.

ETA, that "you" part was worded poorly. But I mean the person in possession of the suppressor

I gotcha... so if it wasn't "legal" in the first place, it's only destination to avoid issues would be the ATFE or local LEO office?

 

[japartridge]

If it was legal to begin with then I would be with its registered, stamp holding owner, not with whoever happens to have "inherited" it. If you have a suppressor and are not in possesion of the required stamp, unless you are a SOT or a manufacturer you are breaking the law.

I realize that the law is being broken, my question in the OP was how to rectify it without getting the current possessor in trouble... and no, it is not me... I know better than that!

 

[ssgjason]

I gotcha... so if it wasn't "legal" in the first place, it's only destination to avoid issues would be the ATFE or local LEO office?

Legally, yes. Or one could just destroy it themselves and throw away.

Does it have any manufacturer's markings?

 

[japartridge]

Legally, yes. Or one could just destroy it themselves and throw away.

Does it have any manufacturer's markings?

do not know, I'll have to have the person with it check/examine it. oddly enough I have the matching threaded barrel to this suppressor! I know I'm legal to have that... still don't know how I ended up with the barrel and someone else the suppressor.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

I gotcha... so if it wasn't "legal" in the first place, it's only destination to avoid issues would be the [STRIKE]ATFE or local LEO office?[/STRIKE] nearest bandsaw or other metal destroying device.

FTFY

I realize that the law is being broken, my question in the OP was how to rectify it without getting the current possessor in trouble... and no, it is not me... I know better than that!

The law is not necessarily being broken. If it was legally possessed, and the owner died and it was inherited, then a Form 5 transfers it to the new owner, so long as the new owner is not disqualified from possessing a firearm.

Questions of legality include, but would not be limited to; was it lawfully possed by the previous owner, did the previous owner die, is the current possessor prohibited from possessing firearms, ...

 

[DownByTheTracks]

FTFY



The law is not necessarily being broken. If it was legally possessed, and the owner died and it was inherited, then a Form 5 transfers it to the new owner, so long as the new owner is not disqualified from possessing a firearm.

Questions of legality include, but would not be limited to; was it lawfully possed by the previous owner, did the previous owner die, is the current possessor prohibited from possessing firearms, ...

 

[Bigdee06]

So is there a grace period given for having it in your possesion while the form 5 is being processed if you are specified by the deceased person as the heir?

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

So is there a grace period given for having it in your possesion while the form 5 is being processed if you are specified by the deceased person as the heir?

(304) 616-4500

NFA Branch, BATFE. Ask for a specialist. Don't rely on the interwebz for answers to questions that if wrong could land you in prison for a ver long time.

 

[japartridge]

All,

I just found out that this person had the suppressor in their possession about a week ago... I have no idea if the original owner had legally obtained it or not. The original owner has been deceased for around a decade now! I'm thinking that this is going to get messy! Sounds like I need to get the current holder a good bandsaw!

 

[Bigdee06]

(304) 616-4500

NFA Branch, BATFE. Ask for a specialist. Don't rely on the interwebz for answers to questions that if wrong could land you in prison for a ver long time.

+1 for that. I use the interwebz for guidance and take care of the due dilligence for myself. The question was directed to the comment made by SemperFiUSMC, it kind of sounded to me like he may be aware of such a grace period. I personally have my stamp so this is a non-issue for me but I still am curious to what the answer is. And yes to the OP, a bandsaw or a cutting torch would be a foolproof solution to this situation.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

+1 for that. I use the interwebz for guidance and take care of the due dilligence for myself. The question was directed to the comment made by SemperFiUSMC, it kind of sounded to me like he may be aware of such a grace period. I personally have my stamp so this is a non-issue for me but I still am curious to what the answer is. And yes to the OP, a bandsaw or a cutting torch would be a foolproof solution to this situation.

I own a firearms manfacturing company that specializes in building suppressors. I call the NFA Branch on nearly a daily basis for guidance, even when I'm sure I know the answer. A five minute conversation can save you a lifetime of trouble.

 

[Westside]

I own a firearms manfacturing company that specializes in building suppressors. I call the NFA Branch on nearly a daily basis for guidance, even when I'm sure I know the answer. A five minute conversation can save you a lifetime of trouble.

^^^^^^This: Never trust the interweb^^^^^^^^

when in doubt check it out. My is to just cut it up and make it go away.

 

[ryknoll3]

All,

I just found out that this person had the suppressor in their possession about a week ago... I have no idea if the original owner had legally obtained it or not. The original owner has been deceased for around a decade now! I'm thinking that this is going to get messy! Sounds like I need to get the current holder a good bandsaw!

The NFA handbook states that the Form 5 should be executed "as soon as possible, and generally done before probate is closed, by the executor of the estate of the deceased."

Form 5's to individuals DO require prints, but do NOT require CLEO sign-off as was earlier stated.

I think it's going to be really tricky to sort this one out. It may require the services of an attorney. If it were for a machine gun, I would maybe go through the hassle and expense to try and straighten it out and get it lawfully registered to the heir. Because we're talking about a 10+ year old suppressor, I would probably just destroy it and walk away.