Cultural appropriation, Confederate Flag, and evolving symbology

[rhino]

I'm going to build a gun that fires York Peppermint Patties at you savages who deny the union of chocolate and mint.

And I'll build another that fires a variety of Reese's products at you vermin who dare question the sacred goodness that is chocolate and peanut butter bound together in delciousness.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

1. A majority, if not super majority, of people that fly the Johnny Reb flag are racists. Just ask them, they will tell you.

2. Embrace the power of "and". They fly this disgusting banner of Treason as a big f-u, but they are also racists.

3. If I get to talk about Russian history then I want a promise that no one gets all butthurt. Because the last time I talked about history, you snowflakes all broke into tears.

4. The best cookies are Fig Newtons as all men of reason admit.

 

[T.Lex]

Marx was full of ****. There's a growing divide for a number of reasons, but Marx was wrong about capitalism and "class oppression" being the cause. And there'd be a divide under communism too. You can't make humans classless. You can't make humans equal. They're just not. The only class wars in a free society is the ones the Marxists have concocted because the revolution they expected never came, and if it does ever come, it's for way more complicated reasons than because of the wealthy oppressing the poor.

Holy ****! T.Lex is a ****ing marxist! You really believe that ****?

If there's a tipping point, it's artificial. It's not organic.

If they're not, it's because the market system that made my dad's lot better than his dad, and mine better than my dad, has been under an by whistful progressives for the past several decades. If you want your kids to be better off than you, be appropriately tough on them, strenngthen their characters, teach them to strive to constantly be honest, to be good people, to be honest, and hope like hell they're smart. Smarter people are harder to replace with automation. Of course, if it's too late and we go the socialist route, never mind. Not much is going to matter. Life will suck equally for everyone that's not in the ruling class.

I think you need to do some further critical reading on Marxism and communism. You are really sounding like the principles of Marxism are actually correct, and that we just haven't figured out how to implement Communism properly.

Communists got it wrong for a lot more reasons than that. They're wrong about almost everything. And the biggest reason they have it wrong is because they have human nature utterly wrong.

My friend, I spent 4 years studying this stuff when some people thought it was an existential threat. And another 25 (now, almost 30) watching it play out. My position is nuanced, which I know you and a couple others will appreciate. For those that don't get, I'm not sure how much time I'll spend explaining it.

I believe Marx was more right than wrong in his theorizing. At some level, that may make me a Marxist (classical). The foundations of his thinking go back further, Hegel, even Greek concepts of society and what motivates people.

Now, just because we may end up where he predicted doesn't mean I think it'll be a pleasant trip or a worthy destination. I'm just saying that, from where I sit, the western democracies are on an arc pretty close to what he set out.

I believe that there is - and always will be - a 3 way tension between government, business, and individual rights. Any given society, in any given time-slice, won't have the exact right balance. But, the goal should be to achieve that balance.

I also suspect that Marx does have the ending wrong, but I'm 50/50 on it. His view is that there will take enlightened leadership to achieve power with the express goal of then abdicating it to an enlightened populace. That enlightenment is unlikely to occur. But if it does, it'll be a pretty good way to live.

My problem with criticisms of communism is that - the few that I've read since the fall of the Soviet Union - have all been less criticism and more political pulp fiction. To be honest, same with criticisms of capitalism. There's too much painting of "the other side" into a caricature of what it really is.

I'm going to build a gun that fires York Peppermint Patties at you savages who deny the union of chocolate and mint.

And I'll build another that fires a variety of Reese's products at you vermin who dare question the sacred goodness that is chocolate and peanut butter bound together in delciousness.

I'm a believer in a big chocolate tent.

Mmmmm... chocolate tent....

 

[T.Lex]

1. A majority, if not super majority, of people that fly the Johnny Reb flag are racists. Just ask them, they will tell you.

My experience does not align with that assertion.

2. Embrace the power of "and". They fly this disgusting banner of Treason as a big f-u, but they are also racists.

And... you used the disjunctive "but."

3. The best cookies are Fig Newtons as all men of reason admit.

Listen, "best" is entirely subjective. Let's not let it be the enemy of "and others are good, too."

 

[BugI02]

FINALLY, an issue I care passionately about!

Mint ruins chocolate. And teas.

Truer words shall never be spoken!

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

A chocolate mint stout is a wonderful treat at Christmastime.

Eeeww

 

[Trigger Time]

1. A majority, if not super majority, of people that fly the Johnny Reb flag are racists. Just ask them, they will tell you.

2. Embrace the power of "and". They fly this disgusting banner of Treason as a big f-u, but they are also racists.

3. If I get to talk about Russian history then I want a promise that no one gets all butthurt. Because the last time I talked about history, you snowflakes all broke into tears.

4. The best cookies are Fig Newtons as all men of reason admit.

So you've been driving around knocking on doors of people flying that flag? Interested to know where you get your info since you are so sure.
Oh and you are wrong

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So you've been driving around knocking on doors of people flying that flag? Interested to know where you get your info since you are so sure.
Oh and you are wrong

I talk to them. I am not wrong.

 

[Trigger Time]

I talk to them. I am not wrong.

Well it's strange you've met all racists that have that flag and I haven't met any.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Meanwhile, in America:

 

[Trigger Time]

Meanwhile, in America:

Bahahahaha that pic is awesome

 

[Trigger Time]

Meanwhile, in America:

Bahahahaha that pic is awesome. According to Kirk he's a racist

 

[ATM]

Anarchism and Capitalism, now there's two great tastes that taste great together!

 

[jamil]

I talk to them. I am not wrong.

How long have you lived in the South? What's your survey size?

 

[rhino]

1. A majority, if not super majority, of people that fly the Johnny Reb flag are racists. Just ask them, they will tell you.

Do you have evidence? How many of the people in your study group are not also criminals?


My experience is to the contrary of yours.

 

[KLB]

None of the racists I have known displayed a flag that I ever saw. I guess they were slackers.

 

[printcraft]

Bahahahaha that pic is awesome. According to Kirk he's a racist

He may hate asians........

 

[T.Lex]

Upon further reflection, it is probably worth defining "racist" in this context.

There's the skinhead/neo-nazi/white supremecist version that I most often think of as the ones willing to fly that flag as a vice-signalling (or virtue, to them). Then there's the sociological racists who aren't overtly racist, but we're told by most literature, allow race to influence their daily interactions. That could be everybody. (Although, I think there's even another generational group where its a very passive thing, like my 90something grandmother who refers to her VERY nice home health nurse as "negro" because to her, that's the most polite term.)

If KF means that a majority/supermajority of stars and bars banner wavers are the sociological racist, then that might make sense. But, in my experience, even most of those people would not admit to being racist.

 

[jamil]

1. A majority, if not super majority, of people that fly the Johnny Reb flag are racists. Just ask them, they will tell you.

2. Embrace the power of "and". They fly this disgusting banner of Treason as a big f-u, but they are also racists.

3. If I get to talk about Russian history then I want a promise that no one gets all butthurt. Because the last time I talked about history, you snowflakes all broke into tears.

4. The best cookies are Fig Newtons as all men of reason admit.

Upon further reflection, it is probably worth defining "racist" in this context.

There's the skinhead/neo-nazi/white supremecist version that I most often think of as the ones willing to fly that flag as a vice-signalling (or virtue, to them). Then there's the sociological racists who aren't overtly racist, but we're told by most literature, allow race to influence their daily interactions. That could be everybody. (Although, I think there's even another generational group where its a very passive thing, like my 90something grandmother who refers to her VERY nice home health nurse as "negro" because to her, that's the most polite term.)

If KF means that a majority/supermajority of stars and bars banner wavers are the sociological racist, then that might make sense. But, in my experience, even most of those people would not admit to being racist.

Look at Kirk's words. He's saying majority/supermajority of flag waivers are overtly racist.

 

[indiucky]

Look at Kirk's words. He's saying majority/supermajority of flag waivers are overtly racist.

Canadians.....They have no idea what it's aboot.....

 

[jamil]

Canadians.....They have no idea what it's aboot.....

That would explain it.