Debate tonight....

[Que]

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Your comment appeared to be either a studied insult or a total lack of understanding the point Survivalcookie was making. If you had read D'Souza's book or seen the movie (have you done either?) you might have seen that D'Souza makes a good case for explaining why Obama has chosen the career he did, why he has run for election in the ways he has done, and why he has governed the way he has done. There may be other explanations for why he has done so, but most of them involve attributions of evil or malice instead of attributing his actions to his world view formed by his life history and that of his father and the other male influences in his life.

Okay, I'm still trying to figure out what you have to do with the comment I made to another member, but for the sake of conversation, can you tell me if President Obama made the comment that it was his desire to wipe out the "white devils and Christianity?" You are right, I have not read his book or watched the movie. I can use that money on ammo components. I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with anyone else, but I did not believe that statement to be a direct quote, but I may stand corrected and will certainly admit to being wrong if that's the case, so please let me know.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Okay, I'm still trying to figure out what you have to do with the comment I made to another member, but for the sake of conversation, can you tell me if President Obama made the comment that it was his desire to wipe out the "white devils and Christianity?" You are right, I have not read his book or watched the movie. I can use that money on ammo components. I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with anyone else, but I did not believe that statement to be a direct quote, but I may stand corrected and will certainly admit to being wrong if that's the case, so please let me know.

Go to the library. Read D'Souza's book. Get back to me.

 

[Que]

Go to the library. Read D'Souza's book. Get back to me.

No, you jumped in on this and I asked one simple question and you should be able to answer. Was the statement I mentioned in the book or not? If it was, then I owe someone an apology and if not, I would think you owe me one. Why should I have to read a book and get back to you?

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Okay, I'm still trying to figure out what you have to do with the comment I made to another member, but for the sake of conversation, can you tell me if President Obama made the comment that it was his desire to wipe out the "white devils and Christianity?" You are right, I have not read his book or watched the movie. I can use that money on ammo components. I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with anyone else, but I did not believe that statement to be a direct quote, but I may stand corrected and will certainly admit to being wrong if that's the case, so please let me know.

No, you jumped in on this and I asked one simple question and you should be able to answer. Was the statement I mentioned in the book or not? If it was, then I owe someone an apology and if not, I would think you owe me one. Why should I have to read a book and get back to you?

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Originally Posted by Que
Yeah, I'm sure that was his father's dream. I won't get into it, but usually when a hate monger is trying to get rid of something, they don't move to create the very thing they abhor. Besides, if that were the case I would think that you and his father would have a few things in common.


Number 1: I haven't read the book; I saw the movie. Since you have better things to do than spend money on a movie, I suggested the library where the book is available.

Number 2: D'Souza's research on Barack Obama Sr. showed him to be what I described him. This research and presentation wasn't designed to be a "hit piece" but to create an understanding of the man who our current President says formed his views of the world, however, there isn't much doubt that Barack Obama, Sr. hated "colonialists" and Christianity and saw them both as something evil to be eliminated.

Number 3: If you'll look at your first comment, you were comparing Survivalcookie to Barack Obama Sr, not commenting upon anything attributed as a quote to Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[BigMatt]

Barry looks like the Rev Al and Romney with that hair, looks like a guy that I bought a used car from once.

I was thinking of either Al Sharpton or Charlie Rangel.

 

[churchmouse]

Man this is sliding into the abyss.

 

[Survivalcookie]

I put a great deal of though into my response. If what I said was offensive to the person in which it was directed, we could have clearly continued the exchange to though and decided to agree or disagree. If my response was insulting to you, I can only say that I wasn't directing my comment toward you in any way.

Since you have commented, I certainly would like to know why I need to spend time reading the material you have posted in order to comment on the given subject? Does one need to read "2016" in order to comment about what was posted?

Que...I felt you were calling me a hate monger...because I do not feel that Obama has our country's best interest at heart, but he is fundamentally changing our country into a third world country, like his father wanted.

I do not feel that you have an understanding of what I was talking about, Here is another explanation of why I feel what I feel about Obama . If you would like to read it.

QUOTE:n brief, D’Souza explained European colonialism as fundamentally about occupation, rule, conquest and acquiring wealth; whereas anti-colonialism is fundamentally about redistributing the wealth of the world “so that it is enjoyed equitably by everyone in the world.”

‘You didn’t build that’: Anti-colonialist rage?

 

[churchmouse]

Problem with criticizing BO is that the race card is so often put into the equation even if it is not out in the open. Happens to me a lot. I just refrain from discussing this with folks of color. All to often it ends with me not liking BO because he is black and I am a racist. In reality I do not like him because he is a poor President IMHO. I am not alone in this opinion.
As to me being a racist, well, my future son in law (a young hard working man of color) would disagree as would my 6 year old mixed grand daughter. There are twins on the way from him as well. Let me spend some time with them and we will see.
If I do not like you it is not akin to your heritage. It is usually due to your character or lack there-of. BO fits in there somewhere.

 

[1nthechmber]

 

[actaeon277]

How about if everyone takes a step back, and take a breather.

 

[Que]

What choice do we have....not vote and just let the cards fall where they may....People die everyday for the right to vote...many of our forefathers died for the right to vote...If we the people get off our collectives asses and worked for ta third party it might happen in the next few years.....Obama said he would fundamentally change our county...he has not succeed and that is why he needs 4 more years....he is living the dreams of his father...to get rid of the white devils and Christianity. Romney on the other hand is a businessman, a successful one at that...he wants to prove that he can fix our country...My self I will vote for Romney, I do not want my grand children more in debt and living under the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Yeah, I'm sure that was his father's dream. I won't get into it, but usually when a hate monger is trying to get rid of something, they don't move to create the very thing they abhor. Besides, if that were the case I would think that you and his father would have a few things in common.

Que...I felt you were calling me a hate monger...because I do not feel that Obama has our country's best interest at heart, but he is fundamentally changing our country into a third world country, like his father wanted.

I do not feel that you have an understanding of what I was talking about, Here is another explanation of why I feel what I feel about Obama . If you would like to read it.

QUOTE:n brief, D’Souza explained European colonialism as fundamentally about occupation, rule, conquest and acquiring wealth; whereas anti-colonialism is fundamentally about redistributing the wealth of the world “so that it is enjoyed equitably by everyone in the world.”

‘You didn’t build that’: Anti-colonialist rage?

First of all, I was not calling you a hate monger. I would call anyone who describes someone as a "white devil" or desires to eradicate the Christian faith, a hate monger. You stated that Obama was living the dream of his father, "to get rid of the white devils and Christianity." Now, I objected to this assumption because the man married a white woman, so why would he conceive a child with someone he would describe as such? Now, if the book or movie noted a quote from either the President or his father, stating they would like to do what was previously noted, then I am wrong. If there is no direct quote, then where would such a statement come from? Is it just an inference from something written from either of their experiences that appeared to be objectionable or bigoted?

Also, I guess no matter what is said no one will ever believe the President is a Christian. I will allow that to be a given; however, where has he been identified or when has it been stated that he is a member of the "Muslim Brotherhood" Was this something in the book or movie, as well?

Disagreeing with the President or even hating his leadership style has nothing to do with being a racist. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this is the internet and there are young people reading what is posted on here. It's a slippery slope to post some of the things mentioned in this thread, without proof, but that's your right and that right should be exercised without labeling you a racist, which I certainly have not. On the other hand, I believe it's also my right to question these types of comments without being labeled.

Lastly, we all view life from our own individual points of view, based on our circumstances. The President's father lived within the results of colonialism and were it not for Harry Belofonte, Charlton Heston, Sidney Poitier, Marlon Brando and many others, Obama would not have been able to come to America. They are the people who started the student exchange program that brought him and other African students to America. This is my own take on things, but if he was not brought to America, it just may be possible that his view could have taken a violent route. As it stands, maybe he didn't like colonialism, but who could blame him? This is where I get to the comparison between you and he. I am sure you have had some experiences in life that have been less than pleasant. Even your life spent with President Obama as the current political leader of our country can be considered as such, but that is your experience and nobody can force you to believe it is anything other than how you determine it to be. If you and Obama's father were to sit down and talk, I'm sure the two of you would find that you have had similar experiences, but viewed from your own perspective. Ultimately, you would agree on some points and disagree on others, but there is nothing wrong with that. If people could just talk without getting upset over every little thing, we would all find that we have more in common that we think.

All of that said, if I offended you, I do apologize and I hope you can forgive me.

 

[dom1104]

1: this thread has gotten weird.

2: Blackhawk has really bought into the d'souza movie hook line and sinker.

3: wtf is a colonialist and does Barack Obama truly hate them? Does anyone truly beleive this? Before that documentary came out nobody had ever heard the word colonalist before, now everyone has obama all figgered out.


Because you know..... All of us did exactly what our dads Wanted us too right?

Right?

Comon.

Obama is just a plain old garden variety liberal, nothing fancier than that.


Colonialism hating? Psssh. Get real.

 

[Que]

QUOTE:n brief, D’Souza explained European colonialism as fundamentally about occupation, rule, conquest and acquiring wealth; whereas anti-colonialism is fundamentally about redistributing the wealth of the world “so that it is enjoyed equitably by everyone in the world.”

‘You didn’t build that’: Anti-colonialist rage?

Last thing, if your definition of "colonialism" is correct (and I believe it is), I would agree with anyone who desires the anti or opposite of that term. I would also describe anyone who desires to redistribute wealth so that "it is enjoyed equitably by everyone in the world" as a socialist. I see nothing wrong with for former and have a great deal of issues with the latter.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Que...I felt you were calling me a hate monger...because I do not feel that Obama has our country's best interest at heart, but he is fundamentally changing our country into a third world country, like his father wanted.

I do not feel that you have an understanding of what I was talking about, Here is another explanation of why I feel what I feel about Obama . If you would like to read it.

QUOTE:n brief, D’Souza explained European colonialism as fundamentally about occupation, rule, conquest and acquiring wealth; whereas anti-colonialism is fundamentally about redistributing the wealth of the world “so that it is enjoyed equitably by everyone in the world.”

‘You didn’t build that’: Anti-colonialist rage?

It could be easily articulated that you WERE "hate mongering." Amazingly, this thread had stayed above the racial aspects until you implied that Obama and his father had it in for "white devils" and "Christianity." It hard to keep the reasoning behind hating Obama in order.

How does a father who believes that white people are "Devils," have to audacity to marry a one, let alone sure a child with one...
Does that child then, under the instruction of an absentee farther grow to hate white that raised him based solely on his genes?

And what of Obama's friend "Christian" pastor J. Wright? Is he aware that Obama is intent on destroying his faith?

If you're going to hate the man, hate him for his policies. Don't hate him based on a perception spoon-fed to you by the ignorant and hateful, because in the end, you will be no different than those you rail against... Except, it won't be hearsay, it will be the truth.

 

[cobber]

Just visited a certain liberal gun owners forum.

It appears that Obama won hands down. Romney was goofy, and lying through his teeth, but the clever BHO did not call him out on the spot, but rather was cleverly allowing MR to provide all sorts of fodder for the next round of attack ads.

In the meantime BHO will surge back in the next two debates, annihilating MR and setting us all from from the evil rich.

 

[churchmouse]

Just visited a certain liberal gun owners forum.

It appears that Obama won hands down. Romney was goofy, and lying through his teeth, but the clever BHO did not call him out on the spot, but rather was cleverly allowing MR to provide all sorts of fodder for the next round of attack ads.

In the meantime BHO will surge back in the next two debates, annihilating MR and setting us all from from the evil rich.

All a matter of perception isn't it.

 

[Survivalcookie]

First of all, I was not calling you a hate monger. I would call anyone who describes someone as a "white devil" or desires to eradicate the Christian faith, a hate monger. You stated that Obama was living the dream of his father, "to get rid of the white devils and Christianity." Now, I objected to this assumption because the man married a white woman, so why would he conceive a child with someone he would describe as such? Now, if the book or movie noted a quote from either the President or his father, stating they would like to do what was previously noted, then I am wrong. If there is no direct quote, then where would such a statement come from? Is it just an inference from something written from either of their experiences that appeared to be objectionable or bigoted?

Also, I guess no matter what is said no one will ever believe the President is a Christian. I will allow that to be a given; however, where has he been identified or when has it been stated that he is a member of the "Muslim Brotherhood" Was this something in the book or movie, as well?

Disagreeing with the President or even hating his leadership style has nothing to do with being a racist. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this is the internet and there are young people reading what is posted on here. It's a slippery slope to post some of the things mentioned in this thread, without proof, but that's your right and that right should be exercised without labeling you a racist, which I certainly have not. On the other hand, I believe it's also my right to question these types of comments without being labeled.

Lastly, we all view life from our own individual points of view, based on our circumstances. The President's father lived within the results of colonialism and were it not for Harry Belofonte, Charlton Heston, Sidney Poitier, Marlon Brando and many others, Obama would not have been able to come to America. They are the people who started the student exchange program that brought him and other African students to America. This is my own take on things, but if he was not brought to America, it just may be possible that his view could have taken a violent route. As it stands, maybe he didn't like colonialism, but who could blame him? This is where I get to the comparison between you and he. I am sure you have had some experiences in life that have been less than pleasant. Even your life spent with President Obama as the current political leader of our country can be considered as such, but that is your experience and nobody can force you to believe it is anything other than how you determine it to be. If you and Obama's father were to sit down and talk, I'm sure the two of you would find that you have had similar experiences, but viewed from your own perspective. Ultimately, you would agree on some points and disagree on others, but there is nothing wrong with that. If people could just talk without getting upset over every little thing, we would all find that we have more in common that we think.

All of that said, if I offended you, I do apologize and I hope you can forgive me.

Well Thank You and I there is nothing to forgive...we will agree to disagree at this point...I don't have the energy tonight to dig up reasons to prove your wrong or at least give you my prospective....maybe someday we can revisit this.

 

[Survivalcookie]

Problem with criticizing BO is that the race card is so often put into the equation even if it is not out in the open. Happens to me a lot. I just refrain from discussing this with folks of color. All to often it ends with me not liking BO because he is black and I am a racist. In reality I do not like him because he is a poor President IMHO. I am not alone in this opinion.
As to me being a racist, well, my future son in law (a young hard working man of color) would disagree as would my 6 year old mixed grand daughter. There are twins on the way from him as well. Let me spend some time with them and we will see.
If I do not like you it is not akin to your heritage. It is usually due to your character or lack there-of. BO fits in there somewhere.

You are right about the race card...I do not like Obama because he is a poor leader...I was all for Herman Cain. I have seen racism and it is not pretty coming from both sides of the isle.

 

[Kutnupe14]

All a matter of perception isn't it.

Those guys are delusional... I can't see how anybody but "fanbois" thought Obama came out the better in the debates

 

[Survivalcookie]

1: this thread has gotten weird.

2: Blackhawk has really bought into the d'souza movie hook line and sinker.

3: wtf is a colonialist and does Barack Obama truly hate them? Does anyone truly beleive this? Before that documentary came out nobody had ever heard the word colonalist before, now everyone has obama all figgered out.


Because you know..... All of us did exactly what our dads Wanted us too right?

Right?

Comon.

Obama is just a plain old garden variety liberal, nothing fancier than that.


Colonialism hating? Psssh. Get real.

Actually I have had several debates about Obama and what his intentions are long before the movie came out, along with the word colonist...the movie just drove some points home...it finished connecting the dots of why he does some of things he does.