DETROIT - COMING SOON TO A CITY NEAR YOU

[other dave]

Well worth the read:

Frosty Wooldridge -- Detroit - Coming soon to a city near you

 

[Cavman]

Pretty good read

 

[tirebay1997]

I don't think it's the responsibility of politicians to fix this country. It's OUR duty to fix it. They're the ones that ruined it. And we allowed it to happen. Shame on us.

 

[Lebowski]

I don't think it's the responsibility of politicians to fix this country. It's OUR duty to fix it. They're the ones that ruined it. And we allowed it to happen. Shame on us.

Generally speaking, the vast majority of Americans, while they may be upset and/or not in agreement with how things are done, are much too lazy to do anything. Though, I believe I read somewhere stating that most Americans are just "two skipped meals and a lost paycheck away" from doing actions, otherwise they'll go on complaining but not doing anything.

 

[lucky4034]

I don't think it's the responsibility of politicians to fix this country. It's OUR duty to fix it. They're the ones that ruined it. And we allowed it to happen. Shame on us.

WOW... Best post of the week!!!

Can you imagine where we would all be if Paul Revere, John Hancock, Sam Adams, Joe Warren etc... never took responsibility for their country? If they simply just blamed the King, but never took the steps to change anything?

 

[dirtfarmerz]

I don't think it's the responsibility of politicians to fix this country. It's OUR duty to fix it. They're the ones that ruined it. And we allowed it to happen. Shame on us.

Detroit has been getting worse for about 45 years. The city has been ran by corrupt politicians voted in by the people of that city. The people of Detroit are the "we" that allowed it to happen. The people are not going to vote in politicians that will take away their meal ticket. Obama believes in the same system that destroyed Detroit. He would be glad to take from us to "fix" their problems. His pals would be taking their share of the money and the people will continue to have their hands out. How would Obama fix a city like Detroit when he believes in the principles that led to its decline? Detroit just started down that road earlier than most of the big cities, but like the title of this thread reads, "coming to a city near you". The Obama administration is running ads in Mexico explaining the "free welfare" offered in the United States. He promotes the welfare state so we can expect what happened to Detroit to expand to other parts of our country. Things will really pick up speed if an Immigration Bill is passed. The "we" that will allow things to happen will be voting for the politicians that will provide the welfare.

I lived at 8 mile and Middlebelt Road until I joined the Navy in 1973. My area wasn't so bad at that time, a few miles from Detroit, but if you went east of Inkster Road there was a very good chance you'd find enough trouble to last awhile. We called our worst incursion into that area, the Telegraph Road Massacre. This was four or five years after the riots and things kept getting worse. I think it was about 1972 when my cousin's white friend was raped by 19 black guys in front of a crowd of people outside of Cobo Hall; the girl's boyfriend was beaten. A "rental" cop was there and when someone in the crowd asked him to help, he handed the person his nightstick and said "you do it". White and black people were moving out to the surrounding cities. Crime got worse in the those areas after awhile. We always hear how the city's population has decreased, but a lot of those people didn't move very far away. The people with the good union jobs would try to move far enough away to be safe, but still be able to get to their job. After awhile you couldn't drive that far.

 

[jedi]

From the article.

What a nice how (structure speaking). I wonder what it really looked when it was brand new. That is a very impressive 3 story house.
Anyone have any pics of what it did look like. Real sad to see it in that shape now.


Why has this not occurred to Chicago while it has in Detroit? Was Mayor Dailey much better at handling his machine?
Cook County, IL has the highest percentage of people on welfare than any other county in the nation.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Why has this not occurred to Chicago while it has in Detroit? Was Mayor Dailey much better at handling his machine?
Cook County, IL has the highest percentage of people on welfare than any other county in the nation.

This sort of question dawned me as well. Did Detroit collapse first because of its dependency on a single industry? Which city is next?

 

[IndyDave1776]

This sort of question dawned me as well. Did Detroit collapse first because of its dependency on a single industry? Which city is next?

I would say not. The single industry fled piecemeal in response to the degrading conditions found locally. Ideally, if the auto industry could have continued to do most everything in or around Detroit, there would have been a huge gain in efficiency by virtue of not shipping anything but finished product. The welfare-microstate which developed there caused in increase of idle hands to be the devil's workshop (i.e., fostered crime), increased local taxes (which doesn't help business or the local economy, especially over time), and destroyed the skilled workforce by making fewer qualified workers available, even qualified to be acceptable trainees. As I see it, the decline drove out the industry and was not caused by the collapse that eventually happened in the auto industry.

 

[Redhorse]

I hate to say it but that was the most racially charged thing I've ever read. Things in this country are getting worse but pulling the foreigner and race card isn't going to help, there's no way to stop that. An easier solution is simply canceling welfare. Or better yet, instead of SS and welfare being a "shall issue" make it a "may issue." For the sake of simplicity, lets compare it to getting a gun permit in New Jersey. You have to have a "good and reasonable" need in order to be armed. All the people on welfare should have to prove they have a legitimate need for welfare. Like have evidence and proof they need it.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I would say not. The single industry fled piecemeal in response to the degrading conditions found locally. Ideally, if the auto industry could have continued to do most everything in or around Detroit, there would have been a huge gain in efficiency by virtue of not shipping anything but finished product. The welfare-microstate which developed there caused in increase of idle hands to be the devil's workshop (i.e., fostered crime), increased local taxes (which doesn't help business or the local economy, especially over time), and destroyed the skilled workforce by making fewer qualified workers available, even qualified to be acceptable trainees. As I see it, the decline drove out the industry and was not caused by the collapse that eventually happened in the auto industry.

No doubt somewhere around the election of Coleman Young was the start of the fall. But I'd read where, prior to that, Detroit had the highest per capita income in the country. And I'd estimate that had a lot to do with the auto industry, which at, about that time, GM alone had 50% +/- market share. I imagine you couldn't swing a dead cat in Detroit without hitting somebody that was or was related to somebody that worked in the auto industry.

With that kind of tax base, financing a socialist utopian vision of Young's seemed like child's play. I won't disagree that the welfare state he and his supporters tried to install had a detrimental effect of the citizenry--add to that the abandonment of the productive, taxpaying class, the loss of market share to foreign car manufacturers, lack has been warned, they ran out of other peoples' money.

 

[PistolBob]

The start of the fall of Detroit goes back to 1957, when they elected their first democrat Mayor. Every Mayor and city board has been controlled by the libs and the democrat party since then. Don't worry too much about Detroit, they just got a brand new hockey stadium approved for the sorry Red Wings. I heard that Ontario is bricking up the tunnel to keep folks from escaping into Canada....makes sense to me.

Mayor Coleman Young referred to himself as the HMFIC. Head MF in charge...the guy was all class.

 

[jedi]

So should we...
[video=youtube_share;aCbfMkh940Q]http://youtu.be/aCbfMkh940Q[/video]
to ensure this does not spread?

 

[Redtbird]

Why are you lumping Social Security with welfare? There is a difference in case you didn't know. I'm 66, retired and live on Social Security of less than $1000 a month. As I have said many time before in other places (i.e., not INGO) : DO. NOT. F**K. WITH. MY. SOCIAL. SECURITY. PAYMENTS. Period!

I'll probably get another infraction for this post, but I just get up tight when I hear retirees on SS being labeled as welfare recipients. Someone once complained because I also get food stamps. Yup, a whole, big 16 wonderful dollars a month. Big flippin' deal!

 

[jedi]

Why are you lumping Social Security with welfare? There is a difference in case you didn't know. I'm 66, retired and live on Social Security of less than $1000 a month. As I have said many time before in other places (i.e., not INGO) : DO. NOT. F**K. WITH. MY. SOCIAL. SECURITY. PAYMENTS. Period!

I'll probably get another infraction for this post, but I just get up tight when I hear retirees on SS being labeled as welfare recipients. Someone once complained because I also get food stamps. Yup, a whole, big 16 wonderful dollars a month. Big flippin' deal!

Because welfare is public aid in some shape way and form.

Lets use this definition provide by Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare

Yes you paid into SS during your working life. However the money you paid into the SS fund was not set aside for you (as in a savings account) instead the government used some of it to pay those that retired before you and then just outright took that money and used it for other things (space program, road constructions, public aid programs, etc...). So your money never went to a 'saving' account per say.

Now that you are retired and collecting SS guess where that money is coming from? Not some savings account that held your money but from the checks of people currently working. The current crop of workers will collect from their children and grandchildren provided the system can support it.

What SS is really is now is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme.

So you might have 'put away' your SS but it was not put in a savings account. In fact due to your voting (you as in your generation and not you individually) you asked/allowed that the SS money be spent on other stuff and not left alone. As such you are now taking money from the next generation which should have that money in a savings account.

So you see SS is indeed welfare.

 

[Redtbird]

Because welfare is public aid in some shape way and form.

Lets use this definition provide by Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare

Yes you paid into SS during your working life. However the money you paid into the SS fund was not set aside for you (as in a savings account) instead the government used some of it to pay those that retired before you and then just outright took that money and used it for other things (space program, road constructions, public aid programs, etc...). So your money never went to a 'saving' account per say.

Now that you are retired and collecting SS guess where that money is coming from? Not some savings account that held your money but from the checks of people currently working. The current crop of workers will collect from their children and grandchildren provided the system can support it.

What SS is really is now is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme.

So you might have 'put away' your SS but it was not put in a savings account. In fact due to your voting (you as in your generation and not you individually) you asked/allowed that the SS money be spent on other stuff and not left alone. As such you are now taking money from the next generation which should have that money in a savings account.

So you see SS is indeed welfare.

Well gee whiz! Lay me in a bed and call me lazy. Do you think I could get more money from .gov if I was able to find a way to stop my SS payments and go on the "Official Welfare"? Would I get an O'Bama phone? Free car? Free education? I could adopt a passel of orphans and get payments for them, couldn't I?

And here I thought my money went to pay for my Dad, and uncles and aunts and grand father's Social Security. Gooolllyyyy!

I guess I can now change my 'title' from Happily Retired Person to Welfare Deadbeat and Cheat!

OH! Would I still get my $16 a month in food stamps? You know, that buys a case of soda, a couple bags of chips, a gallon of ice cream and several candy bars! Sure would hate to give up all those necessities, you know.

Redtbird. a.k.a. Gxxxxxx Dxxxxxxxxxx, Official Deadbeat and Welfare Cheat

Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

<-----My new fambly!

 

[IndyDave1776]

I hate to say it but that was the most racially charged thing I've ever read. Things in this country are getting worse but pulling the foreigner and race card isn't going to help, there's no way to stop that. An easier solution is simply canceling welfare. Or better yet, instead of SS and welfare being a "shall issue" make it a "may issue." For the sake of simplicity, lets compare it to getting a gun permit in New Jersey. You have to have a "good and reasonable" need in order to be armed. All the people on welfare should have to prove they have a legitimate need for welfare. Like have evidence and proof they need it.

Given that the article apparently offended your sensibilities, can you explain the falsehood you apparently found in it. The foreigner/race card line of thought indicates, if the accusation is true, that these qualities are being used to avoid dealing with the facts of the matter, in turn indicating that there is a falsehood being conveyed. Your implication is very similar to the argument that minorities being disproportionately represented in prison populations is solid proof of discrimination and specifically not proof that certain groups happen to have a disproportionately large number of members engaged in crime. The net result is something similar to the TSA molesting children and the aged and infirmed at the airport because applying scrutiny to the demographic which has brought us nearly 100% of the terrorism we have experienced would be 'profiling' and that would be discriminatory. You may also want to consider that our Moslem neighbors make no particular secret of the fact that they would prefer to operate under Sharia and that in some jurisdictions (like Dearborn) it well on its way to becoming the prevailing form of government as evidenced by such things as the police persecuting (not prosecuting, at least not yet) non-Moslems. It may not be politically correct, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.

Incidentally, I agree with you that cutting the cord on welfare, even if done incrementally, is a good start. I will also say that it will never happen because it is an incredible tool for controlling people and swaying their votes, at least until the votes become irrelevant and such people along with dissenters will be liquidated, or at least the .gov will put forth its best effort at doing so.

 

[Redhorse]

Why are you lumping Social Security with welfare? There is a difference in case you didn't know. I'm 66, retired and live on Social Security of less than $1000 a month. As I have said many time before in other places (i.e., not INGO) : DO. NOT. F**K. WITH. MY. SOCIAL. SECURITY. PAYMENTS. Period!

I'll probably get another infraction for this post, but I just get up tight when I hear retirees on SS being labeled as welfare recipients. Someone once complained because I also get food stamps. Yup, a whole, big 16 wonderful dollars a month. Big flippin' deal!

Now hold on a minute buddy, I wasn't talking about you. There are some people who receive SS when they aren't near the age you are and they don't deserve it. You do, you did what you were suppose to in life. I feel like only people like you should be allowed to have it, not others. SS goes out to a lot more people besides just your group, the group who earned it. As for your food stamps, don't let anyone bother you about them, you probably don't abuse them. I wasn't talking about you. Besides, I'd imagine you do what you're suppose to, it's the people who don't that are abusing the system.

 

[other dave]

 

[jedi]

Too bad that both of those dummies walk away unscratched from that car wreck while the people, the history of that city are wrecked.