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  • femurphy77

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    I received this in an e-mail this morning. . . .interesting read!


    Detroit





    For 15 years, from the mid 1970s to 1990, I worked in Detroit, Michigan. I watched it descend into the abyss of crime, debauchery, gun play, drugs, school truancy, car-jacking, gangs and human depravity. I watched entire city blocks burned out. I watched graffiti explode on buildings, cars, trucks, buses and school yards. Trash everywhere! Detroiters walked through it, tossed more into it and ignored it.


    Tens of thousands and then, hundreds of thousands today exist on federal welfare, free housing and food stamps! With Aid to Dependent Children, minority women birthed eight to 10 and in one case, one woman birthed 24 kids as reported by the Detroit Free Press all on American taxpayer dollars. A new child meant a new car payment, new TV and whatever mom wanted. I saw Lyndon Baines Johnson's Great Society flourish in Detroit . If you give money for doing nothing, you will get more hands out taking money for doing nothing.


    Mayor Coleman Young, perhaps the most corrupt mayor in America , outside of Richard Daley in Chicago , rode Detroit down to its knees. He set the benchmark for cronyism, incompetence and arrogance. As a black man, he said, I am the MFIC. The IC meant in charge. You can figure out the rest. Detroit became a majority black city with 67 percent African-Americans.


    As a United Van Lines truck driver for my summer job from teaching math and science, I loaded hundreds of American families into my van for a new life in another city or state. Detroit plummeted from 1.8 million citizens to 912,000 today. At the same time, legal and illegal immigrants converged on the city, so much so, that Muslims number over
    300,000. Mexicans number 400,000 throughout Michigan, but most work in Detroit .


    As the whites moved out, the Muslims moved in. As the crimes became more violent, the whites fled. Finally, unlawful Mexicans moved in at a torrid pace. Detroit suffers so much shoplifting that grocery stores no longer operate in many inner city locations.


    You could cut the racial tension in the air with a knife! Detroit may be one our best examples of multiculturalism: pure dislike and total separation from America .


    Today, you hear Muslim calls to worship over the city like a new American Baghdad with hundreds of Islamic mosques in Michigan , paid for by Saudi Arabia oil money. High school flunk out rates reached 76 percent last June according to NBC's Brian Williams. Classrooms resemble more foreign countries than America. English? Few speak it! The city features a 50 percent illiteracy rate and growing. Unemployment hit 28.9 percent in
    2009 as the auto industry vacated the city.


    In this weeks Time Magazine October 4, 2009, The Tragedy of Detroit: How a great city fell and how it can rise again,�� I choked on the writers description of what happened.


    If Detroit had been savaged by a hurricane and submerged by a ravenous flood, we'd know a lot more about it, said Daniel Okrent. If drought and carelessness had spread brush fires across the city, we'd see it on the evening news every night. Earthquake, tornadoes, you name it if natural disaster had devastated the city that was once the living proof of American prosperity, the rest of the country might take notice.


    But Detroit , once our fourth largest city, now 11th and slipping rapidly, has had no such luck. Its disaster has long been a slow unwinding that seemed to remove it from the rest of the country. Even the death rattle that in the past year emanated from its signature industry brought more attention to the auto executives than to the people of the city, who had for so long been victimized by their dreadful decision-making.��


    As Coleman Young's corruption brought the city to its knees, no amount of federal dollars could save the incredible payoffs, kick backs and illegality permeating his administration. I witnessed the city's death from the seat of my 18-wheeler tractor trailer because I moved people out of every sector of decaying Detroit .


    By any quantifiable standard, the city is on life support. Detroit 's treasury is $300 million short of the funds needed to provide the barest municipal services, Okrent said. The school system, which six years ago was compelled by the teachers' union to reject a philanthropist's offer of $200 million to build 15 small, independent charter high schools, is in receivership. The murder rate is soaring, and 7 out of 10 remain unsolved. Three years after Katrina devastated New Orleans , unemployment in that city hit a peak of 11%. In Detroit , the unemployment rate is
    28.9%. That's worth spelling out: twenty-eight point nine percent.��


    At the end of Okrents report, and he will write a dozen more about Detroit , he said, That's because the story of Detroit is not simply one of a great city's collapse. It's also about the erosion of the industries that helped build the country we know today. The ultimate fate of Detroit will reveal much about the character of America in the 21st century. If what was once the most prosperous manufacturing city in the nation has been brought to its knees, what does that say about our recent past? And if it can't find a way to get up, what does that say about our future?�


    As you read in my book review of Chris Steiner's book, "$20 Per Gallon", the auto industry wont come back. Immigration will keep pouring more and more uneducated third world immigrants from the Middle East into Detroit thus creating a beachhead for Islamic hegemony in America. If 50 percent illiteracy continues, we will see more homegrown terrorists spawned out of the Muslim ghettos of Detroit . Illiteracy plus Islam equals walking human bombs. You have already seen it in the Madrid, Spain; London, England and Paris, France with train bombings, subway bombings and riots. As their numbers grow, so will their power to enact their barbaric Sharia Law that negates republican forms of government, first amendment rights and subjugates women to the lowest rungs on the human ladder. We will see more honor killings by upset husbands, fathers and brothers that demand subjugation by their daughters, sisters and wives. Muslims prefer beheadings of women to scare the hell out of any other members of their sect from straying.


    Multiculturalism: what a perfect method to kill our language, culture, country and way of life.
     

    Scutter01

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    I grew up in the 'burbs outside Detroit and I am here to tell you that the story related above is not too far off the mark. It covers many of the reasons we left Michigan.
     

    Cygnus

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    I grew up in the 'burbs outside Detroit and I am here to tell you that the story related above is not too far off the mark. It covers many of the reasons we left Michigan.


    Wow! that is fairly accurate. I'm up there about once a month. The city itself IS scary.

    Scutter where are ya from? I grew up in the burbs there too! A border burb at that.

    My friend's always ask why I'm carrying when I visit.....

    Anyway let me know where you came from PM if it's more appropriate!
     

    Scutter01

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    Wow! that is fairly accurate. I'm up there about once a month. The city itself IS scary.

    Scutter where are ya from? I grew up in the burbs there too! A border burb at that.

    My friend's always ask why I'm carrying when I visit.....

    Anyway let me know where you came from PM if it's more appropriate!

    I grew up in Troy. At the time I left (ten years ago), even the 'burbs were getting scary. I hate going back there now. The roads are completely falling apart (even the expressways) and are choked with traffic, and the whole are is just run-down and depressing. Not looking forward to going back for Christmas.
     

    Cygnus

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    I grew up in Troy. At the time I left (ten years ago), even the 'burbs were getting scary. I hate going back there now. The roads are completely falling apart (even the expressways) and are choked with traffic, and the whole are is just run-down and depressing. Not looking forward to going back for Christmas.


    Troy. You gotta go through the mess to there.

    I'm originally for Dearborn Heights. Lately of the Plymouth-Canton area.
    So westernburbs, no need to ever cross the border. But I do for events downtown. You know run the gauntlet to the
    "safe(er)" area and back out on the highway. An dyes the highways do suck but now there's no traffic.....shades of Gary on a larger scale:eek:

    King Coleman realy killed any relationship with the burbs. Detroit had so much potential too. Still could but no one os willing to make the needed painful moves....

    Stay safe!
     

    Scutter01

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    Troy. You gotta go through the mess to there.

    Yeah, although I can take what I laughingly refer to as "expressway" pretty much all the way there. I even get off at the internet-fabled "Exit 69 - Big Beaver" exit.

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    Scutter01

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    Never been there , now I'm positive I'm never gonna either .

    You're missing nothing.

    On the bright side, Michigan gun owners no longer have to register their guns under the pretense of having a "safety check" done. Seriously, if you're gonna do it, just do it. You don't have to lie and claim it's a safety check. We're not idiots.
     

    Cygnus

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    Never been there , now I'm positive I'm never gonna either .


    Dare ya!

    You'll never bag on Indy again:D

    We'll do lunch at Grandy's ConeyIsland on the Davison Near Livernois!

    Bullet proof coney's, bullet proof Church's Chicken,.......

    Google earth it. I used to work On Woodward norf of Grand Blvd. Very nice. City actually has some hidden gems but they are well hidden.

    Near the stadiums and Hockeytown Cafe is alright during the day.
     

    dross

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    Maybe Canada would like a new city for a discount. The Lions would have to be much happier in the CFL - they might have a shot at the playoffs.
     

    Cygnus

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    Yeah, although I can take what I laughingly refer to as "expressway" pretty much all the way there. I even get off at the internet-fabled "Exit 69 - Big Beaver" exit.

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    Gotta love Big Beaver Road.

    I have relatives in Lincoln Park; man Southfield (Soufield) expressway is a minefield!

    OP sorry for the derails but there're kinda relevent Thye confirm the decay.
     

    Scutter01

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    The only things I miss from living there:

    Hockey - actual hockey, not the "hockey" they have down here
    Hockey part 2: Don Cherry on CBC (channel 9 OTA)
    Sliders - White Castle is NOT sliders, no matter how much you want to say they are
    Coney dogs/Greek diners - No, Skyline and Sonic don't count. Not by a long shot.
    Olga's - If you know, you know. Not as good as it used to be, but still teh awesomz
     

    Cygnus

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    The only things I miss from living there:

    Hockey - actual hockey, not the "hockey" they have down here
    Hockey part 2: Don Cherry on CBC (channel 9 OTA)
    Sliders - White Castle is NOT sliders, no matter how much you want to say they are
    Coney dogs/Greek diners - No, Skyline and Sonic don't count. Not by a long shot.
    Olga's - If you know, you know. Not as good as it used to be, but still teh awesomz


    Wow! You got it all.

    Real hockey and Canadian chanel 9 (w.Don Cherry)

    Sliders...Brays?, Top Hat?
    Olga's rock's

    ANd the best part is the Greek diners (most aren't own by real Greeks ,I love that part!)

    Dare I say......Sir Graves :D
     

    Scutter01

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    Sliders...Brays?, Top Hat?

    Both, actually, although I spent most of my slider time at Bray's since it was so close to where I worked at the time. There's a place in Elwood, IN that's a close cousin. If you're interested, I'll find out what they've named it this week. It used to be called Edgel's, but it's changed numerous times.

    Olga's rock's

    I've been trying to replicate the bread. It's impossible. I wish they'd come down here.

    ANd the best part is the Greek diners (most aren't own by real Greeks ,I love that part!)

    National Coney Island's Hani Special FTW!

    Dare I say......Sir Graves :D

    Sir Graves and/or Count Scary (oooh! that's SCARY!) as a close second. Hamilton County public access TV has Sinisterly Bad Theater on Saturday nights, which is almost as good.
     

    sparky241

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    i though you guys might like to see this. If you go to you tube and type in " detriot is a ghost town" you find alot of videos on this subject. Here are a few i think really highlight what some of you are saying but you just cant believe it till you see it. there are few spots where some questionable language is used but it isnt bad only a few.

    YouTube - George4title, Inflation.us Detroit Ground Zero for Economic Collapse Part 1/4

    YouTube - George4title, Inflation.us Detroit Ground Zero for Economic Collapse Part 2/4

    i dont know where 3 is

    YouTube - Detroit Ground Zero for Economic Collapse Pt 4
     

    Wesley929

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    I miss Wings games at the Joe and Coney Dogs made with koegal Vienna hot dogs.

    I miss Tigers games at Comerica Park and Bum field (formerly known as tiger stadium) when I was a kid.

    I miss the 3 hour drive North to go home for the weekend Friday afternoon after the work was finished.

    That pretty much sums up the list though.
     

    LEaSH

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    I really miss going to late night diners around Flint (i'm from Grand Blanc).

    With all the factories running 3 shifts in the 80's, the surrounding areas had many greasy spoons competing for worker's patronage. Some were pretty good - others were predictably bad. I remember The Capitol near Bishop, El Capitans off of Dort, several others that I wont be able to remember the names.

    It was a different life. Things were definitely in a downswing by then - but still not too bad that as teenagers we could go places (or maybe we were in that 'invincible' delusion), nothing ever bad happened to us.

    Only got jumped one time leaving a Flint Spirits game.
     

    Dryden

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    I grew up in the Bronx, but after visiting Detroit in the 90's, I think the Bronx looks absolutely pristine. Driving thru Detroit, I felt like I was in another country, a country where I was not welcomed.
    It was way back then that I realized that the auto industry was doomed to fail. If this was the breeding ground for their workers, the industry was not going to survive. Low and behold.......:cool:
     
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