Dillion Super Swager 600

[j706]

Who has one and how do you like it?

 

[BGDave]

Profire has one in his new shop. Like mine very much. Quick and easy. He is an advertiser here. Click on the red and white shield with the star on it.

 

[fastheads]

Got one works great. No worries with a Dillion

 

[j706]

I just ordered one from Dillion direct. I watched them in action on youtube. I appears it does need modified to speed up the process. I was wondering if the swage is good and clean 100 % of the time and does the primers seat easily after the process.
Thanks guys

 

[scowens]

I like mine. One word of caution: when you get "in the grove" on swagging, be careful and keep the shell in center. Not doing so will cause the 'punch' to nick the side of the primer pocket.

 

[kwatters]

Works great, like scowens says, if you get in too much of a rush it is easy to get your case off center and rip up the primer pocket.

 

[william]

I just ordered one from Dillion direct. I watched them in action on youtube. I appears it does need modified to speed up the process. I was wondering if the swage is good and clean 100 % of the time and does the primers seat easily after the process.
Thanks guys

I've been using mine for about two years now and love it. When you say it "needs modified" are you talking about the rubberband and string mod on youtube? I tried that...It does work, but it's kinda fussy. I think it's faster just to leave it as is. Seems it would take about 10mins to get the sting set back up after it went wrong.

I have been wanting to try another trick for it....Dillon Precision. Scroll down to the bottom and there some plastic inserts that help align the case. Also has a link to the rubberband video. What the others said is correct if you don't have it centered it will eat your brass up.

It is a great tool!

 

[j706]

I have never seen one of these in person yet. What I have in mind is attaching the cartridge holder/rod to the lever so that when one moves so does the other. It will probably require making some extra parts ect but that is the plan.

 

[CountryBoy19]

I have been wanting to try another trick for it....Dillon Precision.

I'm a big supporter of the free market and all, but just because you're the only source for something doesn't meant you have to rape people on it. $27 for 2 small pieces of plastic? Those can likely be made for mere pennies...

BTW, I have a Super Swage... best money I've spent on a single reloading tool... fast, effortless, and does a fanstastic job.

 

[Broom_jm]

I don't have a Dillon super swager, or any other swager. Looks like a $100 solution to a $5 problem, if ya ask me.

Buy counter-sink bit.
Chuck it up in cordless drill.
Run drill at low speed with one hand.
Cut away crimp while holding brass with other hand.

This is incredibly fast, easy and dang near free.

 

[j706]

I don't have a Dillon super swager, or any other swager. Looks like a $100 solution to a $5 problem, if ya ask me.

Buy counter-sink bit.
Chuck it up in cordless drill.
Run drill at low speed with one hand.
Cut away crimp while holding brass with other hand.

This is incredibly fast, easy and dang near free.

I have done all sorts of different things to remove crimps. All seemed to work OK but none so far have been perfect or efficient. After all Lake City crimps are not very aggressive on 5.56. What I have used the most is a RCBS chamfer tool chucked uo in my cordless drill. It is fast and works but it is still easy to miss a little on one side or the other. I use a Hornady LNL-AP and I like to feel the primers slide in nicely with reasonable resistance.

 

[CountryBoy19]

I don't have a Dillon super swager, or any other swager. Looks like a $100 solution to a $5 problem, if ya ask me.

Buy counter-sink bit.
Chuck it up in cordless drill.
Run drill at low speed with one hand.
Cut away crimp while holding brass with other hand.

This is incredibly fast, easy and dang near free.

And when I'm done removing the crimp from 2,000 rounds in 2 1/2 hours I'll be drinking a beer enjoying dinner and relaxing while you're still hard at work removing the crimps and later complaining about how much your hand hurts from holding that brass in the drill.

 

[Broom_jm]

And when I'm done removing the crimp from 2,000 rounds in 2 1/2 hours I'll be drinking a beer enjoying dinner and relaxing while you're still hard at work removing the crimps and later complaining about how much your hand hurts from holding that brass in the drill.

Ya think so? Try doing 20 cases both ways.

I'm not saying the Dillon is ineffective, but it is simply NOT as fast as doing this process with a drill. It takes maybe 5 seconds per case using the drill...usually closer to 3 seconds. If your hands hurt from holding the brass, you were pressing way too hard.

I've had more than one guy come back and say, "Huh...it really IS that easy. Why did I blow $100 on a tool that I will only use 1 time on any given case??"

I will freely admit that the various swaging tools give you more of a factory look to your primer pocket, but none of them are as fast, simple or inexpensive as a plain ol' counter-sink bit.

 

[CountryBoy19]

Ya think so? Try doing 20 cases both ways.

I'm not saying the Dillon is ineffective, but it is simply NOT as fast as doing this process with a drill. It takes maybe 5 seconds per case using the drill...usually closer to 3 seconds. If your hands hurt from holding the brass, you were pressing way too hard.

I've had more than one guy come back and say, "Huh...it really IS that easy. Why did I blow $100 on a tool that I will only use 1 time on any given case??"

I will freely admit that the various swaging tools give you more of a factory look to your primer pocket, but none of them are as fast, simple or inexpensive as a plain ol' counter-sink bit.

I've done it both ways; I was once a cheap-skate too and refused to pay for a special tool when a cheap counter-sink bit would work. I finally saw the light and I won't turn back now. I can say hands-down, the Dillon wins by a large margin in speed, ease of use, and clean looking primer pockets. Would you like to have a friendly little competition? You can do your way, I'll do my way and we'll see who can finish up 1000 cases faster.

 

[william]

^^+1 to this. Lets race through a 5 gallon bucket of military range brass and see who wins. I've used bits and the Hornady reamer in a drill and it works just fine, but it's messy, noisy and at the end of the day it is removing brass from your cases where as the Dillon just pushes it back where it belongs. I bought a bunch of brass from the brassman on special a couple years ago. It ended up being 2 5 gallon buckets worth. That's when I bought the superswage I don't believe for a second that the drill bit is faster or simply NOT as effective as the Dillon tool.

"I've had more than one guy come back and say, "Huh...it really IS that easy. Why did I blow $100 on a tool that I will only use 1 time on any given case??"

Huh? Are you running some kind of secret underground reloading club?

I agree if you only run into a few crimped primers here and there it is not worth the $100, but if you are going to do LOTS of them it is worth every penny and more. I have seen way more than one guy on this forum post with the same opinion.

 

[ghitch75]

done close to 10k with mine......great tool...

 

[Aszerigan]

I have two Super Swage 600's in stock. $105 each. I also have the swaging attachments for LP and SP to fit all motorized case prep centers.

 

[Six Shooter Steve]

I've done it both ways; I was once a cheap-skate too and refused to pay for a special tool when a cheap counter-sink bit would work. I finally saw the light and I won't turn back now. I can say hands-down, the Dillon wins by a large margin in speed, ease of use, and clean looking primer pockets. Would you like to have a friendly little competition? You can do your way, I'll do my way and we'll see who can finish up 1000 cases faster.

Let's make it a race! I have 3500 9mm that need swagged you can use those

 

[rvb]

only downside is it works best when running a single head stamp. sometimes I have mixed headstamp for practice ammo and I end up sorting just for primer swage step because you have to adjust for different case head thickness. otherwise it works well.

-rvb

 

[Broom_jm]

I've done it both ways; I was once a cheap-skate too and refused to pay for a special tool when a cheap counter-sink bit would work. I finally saw the light and I won't turn back now. I can say hands-down, the Dillon wins by a large margin in speed, ease of use, and clean looking primer pockets. Would you like to have a friendly little competition? You can do your way, I'll do my way and we'll see who can finish up 1000 cases faster.

"...ease of use, and clean looking primer pockets." I will agree it wins, there, although how hard is it to hold a case head against the face of a cutter?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you finish 5 or 10 minutes ahead of me...you now have a $100 paper weight and I've got a tool I can countersink screws with on my next wood-working project. The fact is, the Dillon maybe nearly as fast, but unless you can swage a case in less than 3 seconds, there is no way it "wins by a large margin in speed".

In fact, if I wanted to, I could really make it into a production and use my bench-top vise. Chuck up the bit, set the speed on low, pick up a case with my left hand while the right hand holds another case against the cutter. That would make it even faster and I still wouldn't be stuck with a highly specialized tool, made for 1 time use.

I mean, let's get real, here. Say you bought 1,000 cases that needed to have the crimp removed. Once you've removed the crimp, those cases are good for at least 5 firings, if they're something like 223, and 10, 20 or more firings, if they're a semi-auto pistol case. How much do you shoot that you need a specialized tool for removing a crimp? If you saved even an hour of time, but spent $100 to get there...well, it's your money. Whatever works for you is fine with me.

I'll stick with solutions that work and don't actually make reloading more expensive.