Does The President Have Free Speech To Tell The People His Opinion Of Government

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The word "rarely" seems to have been missed

I think your "rarely" meter needs a recalibration...

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...e-obama-did-spy-on-trump-just-as-he-did-to-me

 

[Kutnupe14]

I think your "rarely" meter needs a recalibration...

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...e-obama-did-spy-on-trump-just-as-he-did-to-me

2017? You got a a few years and a few months for that opinion piece to catch up with the facts.

 

[Ingomike]

2017? You got a a few years and a few months for that opinion piece to catch up with the facts.

Was the Trump campaign and early administration spied on by the law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of the US government?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Was the Trump campaign and early administration spied on by the law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of the US government?

Let’s define “spied” first, as the word spy (used in the most common sense of the word) implies criminal, illegal, or unjustified action, with the intent of gaining the upper hand on an adversary. Spies, when caught by the entity they are spying on, are imprisoned or executed.
In that sense no. Law enforcement apparatuses, working under the auspices of legal action, do not refer to surveillance actions as spying.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

spy

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noun

• a person who secretly collects and reports information on the activities, movements, and plans of an enemy or competitor.
  
  
  
  
  

 

[BugI02]

Let’s define “spied” first, as the word spy (used in the most common sense of the word) implies criminal, illegal, or unjustified action, with the intent of gaining the upper hand on an adversary. Spies, when caught by the entity they are spying on, are imprisoned or executed.
In that sense no. Law enforcement apparatuses, working under the auspices of legal action, do not refer to surveillance actions as spying.

Odd, this would seem to be unambiguous (and preclude secret courts)

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Spies, when caught by the entity they are spying on, are imprisoned or executed.

So you’re saying since he wasn’t imprisoned or executed that’s proof of no wrong doing?

 

[Ingomike]

Let’s define “spied” first, as the word spy (used in the most common sense of the word) implies criminal, illegal, or unjustified action, with the intent of gaining the upper hand on an adversary. Spies, when caught by the entity they are spying on, are imprisoned or executed.
In that sense no. Law enforcement apparatuses, working under the auspices of legal action, do not refer to surveillance actions as spying.

WOW!!! Do you have a source for that definition? Have never heard or seen anything that remotely mentions anything about legality.

Is this definition the way some justify the spying that occurred? Pretending that it wasn't, orange man bad must be watched?

 

[Ingomike]

Let’s define “spied” first, as the word spy (used in the most common sense of the word) implies criminal, illegal, or unjustified action, with the intent of gaining the upper hand on an adversary. Spies, when caught by the entity they are spying on, are imprisoned or executed.
In that sense no. Law enforcement apparatuses, working under the auspices of legal action, do not refer to surveillance actions as spying.

Although I will grant you that some of what occurred in spying on the campaign and administration was illegal as we now know due to fraudulent FISA applications.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So you’re saying since he wasn’t imprisoned or executed that’s proof of no wrong doing?

Who is “he?”

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Who is “he?”

“The guy” that was the head of the administration that did the spying.

I think you know.

 

[BugI02]

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Let’s define “spied” first, as the word spy (used in the most common sense of the word) implies criminal, illegal, or unjustified action, with the intent of gaining the upper hand on an adversary. Spies, when caught by the entity they are spying on, are imprisoned or executed.
In that sense no. Law enforcement apparatuses, working under the auspices of legal action, do not refer to surveillance actions as spying.

obama didn't spy on journalists?
Oh yeah, the steele dossier that this "inspection" was based on was completely legit and not political at all.

 

[Kutnupe14]

“The guy” that was the head of the administration that did the spying.

I think you know.

Well the Inspector General said that your belief is incorrect. But of course there is always the “deep state cover up,” to blame, when one doesn’t like the information provided.

 

[Kutnupe14]

obama didn't spy on journalists?
Oh yeah, the steele dossier that this "inspection" was based on was completely legit and not political at all.

I stated “demand the DoJ to investigate political opponents.” If you have some sources where you can point me to where the previous administration made such demands, I would be appreciative.

 

[Ingomike]

Well the Inspector General said that your belief is incorrect. But of course there is always the “deep state cover up,” to blame, when one doesn’t like the information provided.

There sure is a "deep state" cover-up, but it is slowly unraveling.

Authority granted to the federal government to secretly wiretap and spy on former Trump affiliate Carter Page was “not valid,” the nation’s top spy court noted in a secret ruling penned earlier this month. The order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), which was created and authorized by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), was initially signed and issued on January 7, 2020, but was not declassified and released until Thursday afternoon.


Judge James Boasberg, the current federal judge presiding over the FISA court, wrote in his order that at least two of the four FISA applications against Carter Page were unlawfully authorized. Additionally, according his order, the Department of Justice similarly concluded following the release of a sprawling investigate report on the matter by the agency’s inspector general that the government did not have probable cause that Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power. The FISA law states that American citizens cannot be secretly spied on by the U.S. government absent probable cause, based on valid evidence, that an American is unlawfully acting as a foreign agent.

A not valid FISA warrant is illegal...

 

[BugI02]

I stated “demand the DoJ to investigate political opponents.” If you have some sources where you can point me to where the previous administration made such demands, I would be appreciative.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/trump-russia-investigation-obama-administration-origins/
The Trump-Russia investigation did not originate with Carter Page or George Papadopoulos. It originated with the Obama administration.

There are many different ways the Obama administration could have reacted to the news that Page and Manafort had joined the Trump campaign. It could have given the campaign a defensive briefing. It could have continued interviewing Page, with whom the FBI had longstanding lines of communication. It could have interviewed Manafort. It could have conducted a formal interview with George Papadopoulos rather than approaching him with a spy who asked him loaded questions about Russia’s possession of Democratic-party emails.


Instead of doing some or all of those things, the Obama administration chose to look at the Trump campaign as a likely co-conspirator of Russia — either because Obama officials inflated the flimsy evidence, or because they thought it could be an effective political attack on the opposition party’s likely candidate.


From the “late spring” on, every report of Trump-Russia ties, no matter how unlikely and uncorroborated, was presumed to be proof of a traitorous arrangement. And every detail that could be spun into Trump-campaign awareness of Russian hacking, no matter how tenuous, was viewed in the worst possible light.


The Trump-Russia investigation did not originate with Page or Papadopoulos. It originated with the Obama administration.

Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior fellow at the National Review Institute (NRI), a contributing editor at National Review, and the author of two New York Times bestsellers, Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad(Encounter Books 2008), and most recently, The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America (Encounter Books 2010). He is one of the Nation’s most prominent voices on legal and national security issues.


For 18 years, Mr. McCarthy was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York. From 1993 through 1995, he led the prosecution against the “Blind Sheikh,” Omar Abdel Rahman and his jihadist cell for waging a terrorist war against the U.S. – a war that included the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and a plot to bomb New York City landmarks. During the last five years of his tenure, he was the chief assistant U.S. attorney in charge of the Southern District’s satellite in White Plains. During that time, he was also heavily involved in the investigation of the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Following the 9/11 attacks, he supervised the Justice Department’s Command Post near Ground Zero in New York City. In 2004, he served at the Pentagon as a Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary of Defense.