Domestic Violence Registry proposed in Texas

[rambone]

Lawmakers in Texas want to register anyone who's ever been involved in domestic violence, supposedly to make dating easier "someone who doesn't have the means to do a criminal background check on a potential suitor."

Registries of people are all wrong. If you support them, don't complain when there is a gun owner registry for the public to view.


Proposed Bill Would Create Domestic Violence Registry

 

[thej27]

I could see this being easily abused by an angry ex or an obsessive stalker of an innocent person. No... IT WILL BE ABUSED. It will bring a new meaning to "If I can't have them, then I will make sure no one else wants them and they will have to be with me."

 

[jsharmon7]

Lawmakers in Texas want to register anyone who's ever been involved in domestic violence, supposedly to make dating easier "someone who doesn't have the means to do a criminal background check on a potential suitor."

Registries of people are all wrong. If you support them, don't complain when there is a gun owner registry for the public to view.


Proposed Bill Would Create Domestic Violence Registry

There was. I think some members of INGO helped the push to get rid of it.

I don't understand this registry. Why not just register everyone who has ever committed a crime if we're going to go this route? And yes, that's sarcasm. I thought the idea was to serve your time and move on, not forever be followed by it. I guess that's what they do with the sex offender registry though, and nobody seems to mind.

 

[rambone]

I thought the idea was to serve your time and move on, not forever be followed by it. I guess that's what they do with the sex offender registry though, and nobody seems to mind.

Serve your time and move on -- that is exactly right. I for one get upset at any registry, even the sex offender registry.

Registries actually make it harder for a person to begin his life again; its harder to get a job, harder to find a place to rent, harder to make friends, harder to have a relationship. All these types of roadblocks makes it a lot more likely that a person will have y too much time on his hands and fall back into his old ways. Registries are nothing but feel-good policy that actually hurt more than they help.

On top of that, they get the public used to having these hated groups of society that they can push around and strip of their rights. For example, allowing the government to begin putting GPS Collars on released prisoners right here in Indiana. Start with them, then grow the program to a new group, then another.

 

[eatsnopaste]

When they can prove that sex offenders won't repeat their crimes then I will agree with you about doing away with the sexual offender registry. Too many studies have shown that pedophiles and rapists are serial offenders and CANNOT stop themselves from committing these sorts of crimes.

 

[BigMatt]

This will also probably cost a couple of million in taxpayer dollars. Texas' taxpayers, but taxpayers nonetheless.

 

[rambone]

When they can prove that sex offenders won't repeat their crimes then I will agree with you about doing away with the sexual offender registry. Too many studies have shown that pedophiles and rapists are serial offenders and CANNOT stop themselves from committing these sorts of crimes.

I'm saying that making them into social lepers who are not allowed to live a normal life makes them MORE likely to commit more crimes.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

Lawmakers in Texas want to register anyone who's ever been involved in domestic violence, supposedly to make dating easier "someone who doesn't have the means to do a criminal background check on a potential suitor."

Registries of people are all wrong. If you support them, don't complain when there is a gun owner registry for the public to view.


Proposed Bill Would Create Domestic Violence Registry

If the people of Texas through their properly elected government want to do this why shouldn't they? What US Constitutional enumeration prevents it? I don't agree with it, but I don't live in Texas so I don't have a dog in the hunt. Don't want your name on the list? Don't move to Texas and beat the s**t out of your wife / girlfriend / other. Seems like pretty easy stuff to me, but I've been wrong before.

I'm saying that making them into social lepers who are not allowed to live a normal life makes them MORE likely to commit more crimes.

And you would be wrong. As usual your argument is full of emotion with no substance or fact to support it.

 

[Fletch]

I thought the idea was to serve your time and move on, not forever be followed by it. I guess that's what they do with the sex offender registry though, and nobody seems to mind.

I thought it would be pretty obvious by now that I mind.

Too many studies have shown that pedophiles and rapists are serial offenders and CANNOT stop themselves from committing these sorts of crimes.

This is a gross oversimplification, and has been discussed to death on this very board. There are different categories of pedophile, and different categories of rapist, and each has differing responses to various forms of therapy. Some are extremely treatable, others much less so. One-size-fits-all solutions serve no purpose other than to make pigheaded voters with little capacity for critical thought feel good about themselves.

 

[machete]

Registries of people are all wrong.

and anyone who arrests someone for failing to register for any list is on the wrong side...

 

[TiminMishawaka]

Highly disagree with this one. Courts are so ridiculously biased in favor of women that they can get quasi-criminal protection orders with absolutely no evidence, no legal representation and no opportunity for the accused to face his or her accuser. Anything that NEEDS to be found on a background check can easily be found through Lexis Nexis.

 

[ghostinthewood]

And you would be wrong. As usual your argument is full of emotion with no substance or fact to support it.

Actually most studies I've seen have shown that there are a lot more repeat offenders in other crimes, and that sex offenders do great after a short period of being out. Although I disagree with rambone a lot, he normally has some form of facts to back his opinion. He even cited something in a previous post here. I think your statement was silly and you would be hypocrite for calling someone out for posting with emotion.

 

[machete]

If the people of Texas through their properly elected government want to do this why shouldn't they? What US Constitutional enumeration prevents it?

did the founding fathers have to imagine every sick and twisted idea to keep this country free from sick ******s and really disgusting ideas??? its supposed to be a constitution,,,not a bondage porn screenplay...

where is peoples basic sence of decency to keep them from passing sick laws like this???

 

[Love the 1911]

I would do away with this registry and instead provide a gun to all the victims of convicted domestic abusers. It would be cheaper and would have the possibility of actually saving someone's life.

That being said, the government will go to great lengths to "help" those that the government deems as being weak. Get these women (or men in some cases) the means to get out of the situation and protect themselves, not live in fear inside a shelter that isolates them from the world.

Do the lawmakers actually think that women will check out their potential boyfriend on that thing anyway? Abusers are basically con artists and the cycle of abuse does not begin until well into a relationship most of the time. The beginning of these relationships are usually very passionate and the future abuser is a perfect gentleman. From the victims that I have spoken to, most would not have suspected their significant other to be abusive until after the first episode of either extreme intimidation or actually being hit.

 

[rambone]

If the people of Texas through their properly elected government want to do this why shouldn't they? What US Constitutional enumeration prevents it? I don't agree with it, but I don't live in Texas so I don't have a dog in the hunt. Don't want your name on the list? Don't move to Texas and beat the s**t out of your wife / girlfriend / other. Seems like pretty easy stuff to me, but I've been wrong before.

I'm of the mindset that government should have to cite where in the constitution they derive the power to do the things that they do. Otherwise you have guys like yourself trying to argue that it is perfectly constitutional to mandate microchips in citizens' heads because there is no amendment against it. I believe such programs violate a person's right to liberty and pursuit of happiness.

And for those bad laws that prove to be "constitutional," citizens still have the moral obligation to stand against them. And for all the laws that you claim to "disagree" with, you sure spend a lot of time defending the government doing those things.

 

[ghostinthewood]

I would do away with this registry and instead provide a gun to all the victims of convicted domestic abusers. It would be cheaper and would have the possibility of actually saving someone's life.

I wouldn't say "give" it to them but a voucher or a tax credit or something like that would be great. They'd have to be the owner of it though instead of using it for someone else...

 

[Keyser Soze]

and anyone who arrests someone for failing to register for any list is on the wrong side...

IMO I consider any type of list, living restrictions ect to be cruel and unusual punishment.

Why don't we put everyone on a list?

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

I'm of the mindset that government should have to cite where in the constitution they derive the power to do the things that they do. Otherwise you have guys like yourself trying to argue that it is perfectly constitutional to mandate microchips in citizens' heads because there is no amendment against it. I believe such programs violate a person's right to liberty and pursuit of happiness.

And for those bad laws that prove to be "constitutional," citizens still have the moral obligation to stand against them. And for all the laws that you claim to "disagree" with, you sure spend a lot of time defending the government doing those things.

I'm not defending anything. I am trying to ascertain whether you understand the principles of the Constitution you claim to champion. Up until this point you have shown absolutely no respect or even a general knowledge of the government as contemplated and established by the Constitutions and various laws of this nation and its states. All you have is emotion. No reason. No logic. No facts. No law. The "I don't like it therefore it doesn't apply to me" attitude doesn't cut it, unless you are a Sovereign Citizen type.

Disregarding the quagmire of unintelligable and senseless blathering, the question remains. What enumerated power of the US Constitution prohibits the people of Texas through their duly elected representatives from passing such a law?

 

[rambone]

Disregarding the quagmire of unintelligable and senseless blathering, the question remains. What enumerated power of the US Constitution prohibits the people of Texas through their duly elected representatives from passing such a law?

No. What gives THEM the authority to pass it? Which enumerated power gives THEM the power?? It seems to me that if the authors of the constitution went through the trouble to enumerate powers, that list should be the only list of powers they get without further amendments to include more enumerated powers. The list of government powers does not include a "9th amendment" giving them further powers than what are listed in the document.

Why are citizens always on the defensive, having to prove to some pseudo-intellectual why they deserve liberty?

I never even made a constitutional argument in my OP. There are more reasons to oppose something than the constitution.

 

[rambone]

Why registries are a failure.

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