Doom and Gloom ahead...

[armalitesheepdog]

One thing you will need is people and a secure location. I f you live in a city (I currently do for now) the roving bands of the have nots will soon overpower you and your family and take your stuff ASAP.
It will take more than 2 or 3 people with ARs to repel the group of 20 gathered in your front yard wanting your stuff. And if they don’t get it they may just set your house on fire
I’m looking to get out of the city in the next year or 2. But then I’m the outsider city boy who bought the old fill in the name farm and I think there may be some resentment there as well

 

[ZurokSlayer7X9]

Once the right people find out that you've got it, you ain't gonna have it long.

Man, coming up with all these defense plans against the guy who snipes me from 200 yards while I leave the bunker to pee is just so tiring and stressful.

 

[Route 45]

Man, coming up with all these defense plans against the guy who snipes me from 200 yards while I leave the bunker to pee is just so tiring and stressful.

That's why I don't worry about this nonsense. Doomsayers have been wailing about societal collapse long before internet forums existed. Preparedness for short term upheaval is one thing, but I often wonder where people are going to get their prescription meds to go along with their racks of MREs and crates of ammo.

 

[spencer rifle]

I recently cashed in a CD so I could buy a heaping full container of OPSEC.

 

[firecadet613]

That's why I don't worry about this nonsense. Doomsayers have been wailing about societal collapse long before internet forums existed. Preparedness for short term upheaval is one thing, but I often wonder where people are going to get their prescription meds to go along with their racks of MREs and crates of ammo.

I'm not talking doomsday and stacks of MREs.

If covid should have taught folks anything, it's how fragile the supply chain is. If you take prescriptions on a daily basis (I don't), you should have a 45-90 day supply on hand.

If you couldn't get groceries for a few weeks, would you be OK? As someone posted in another thread, they can't find their favorite kind of nuts. So when you find it, stock up.

But then I’m the outsider city boy who bought the old fill in the name farm and I think there may be some resentment there as well

That has not been my experience, but please leave the city in the city!

 

[Route 45]

I'm not talking doomsday and stacks of MREs.

If covid should have taught folks anything, it's how fragile the supply chain is. If you take prescriptions on a daily basis (I don't), you should have a 45-90 day supply on hand.

If you couldn't get groceries for a few weeks, would you be OK? As someone posted in another thread, they can't find their favorite kind of nuts. So when you find it, stock up.

Nothing unreasonable about any of this. But this thread is predicated on the need for 2 years of food storage. Literally doomsday. The supply chain ain't that fragile. The worse thing that happened to me during Covid is having to use Dollar General toilet paper for a bit.

 

[bobzilla]

Nothing unreasonable about any of this. But this thread is predicated on the need for 2 years of food storage. Literally doomsday. The supply chain ain't that fragile. The worse thing that happened to me during Covid is having to use Dollar General toilet paper for a bit.

We have always had a supply of TP on hand. Never understood people that buy a 4-pack at a time and no more.

 

[spencer rifle]

We have always had a supply of TP on hand. Never understood people that buy a 4-pack at a time and no more.

Depends on where you are and where you're from. The Europeans and Chinese we met in our travels barely keep any inventory (food or otherwise) in their house. They depend on getting to the market (usually by walking) every day to get what they need that day. They buy the ingredients for today's dinner, go home, and make it. And tomorrow they will do the same. Any interruption in the supply chain would have drastic effects in a system like that, but their chain is more local than ours.

Case in point - SIL was in China for a missions trip out in the country. She needed underwear since her luggage got mixed up. She walked to the local market, saw what was good and inexpensive and bought enough for the two weeks she was there - about 20 pairs. The proprietors called in all the surrounding merchants to see the gweilo who bought so much underwear. They only got one pair at a time as what they had became unusable. No inventory kept at their house.

 

[Wolfhound]

Depends on where you are and where you're from. The Europeans and Chinese we met in our travels barely keep any inventory (food or otherwise) in their house. They depend on getting to the market (usually by walking) every day to get what they need that day. They buy the ingredients for today's dinner, go home, and make it. And tomorrow they will do the same. Any interruption in the supply chain would have drastic effects in a system like that, but their chain is more local than ours.

Case in point - SIL was in China for a missions trip out in the country. She needed underwear since her luggage got mixed up. She walked to the local market, saw what was good and inexpensive and bought enough for the two weeks she was there - about 20 pairs. The proprietors called in all the surrounding merchants to see the gweilo who bought so much underwear. They only got one pair at a time as what they had became unusable. No inventory kept at their house.

Heh, gweilo. White ghost or white devil.

 

[spencer rifle]

Heh, gweilo. White ghost or white devil.

Use of that was common, especially around people not expected to understand Mandarin. But our blonde, blue-eyed daughter speaks, reads and writes, so they can't get anything by her. She will be our family liaison when the CCP takes over.

 

[bobzilla]

Depends on where you are and where you're from. The Europeans and Chinese we met in our travels barely keep any inventory (food or otherwise) in their house. They depend on getting to the market (usually by walking) every day to get what they need that day. They buy the ingredients for today's dinner, go home, and make it. And tomorrow they will do the same. Any interruption in the supply chain would have drastic effects in a system like that, but their chain is more local than ours.

Case in point - SIL was in China for a missions trip out in the country. She needed underwear since her luggage got mixed up. She walked to the local market, saw what was good and inexpensive and bought enough for the two weeks she was there - about 20 pairs. The proprietors called in all the surrounding merchants to see the gweilo who bought so much underwear. They only got one pair at a time as what they had became unusable. No inventory kept at their house.

But this isn't china. We don't go to the local market for food. What people do half a world away, from a completely different culture is really not relevant to the conversation about here and now.

 

[JTKelly]

Round up the people who voted for the deficit spending, liquidate their assets and send them to China as indentured servants?

SELL them to China.

 

[spencer rifle]

But this isn't china. We don't go to the local market for food. What people do half a world away, from a completely different culture is really not relevant to the conversation about here and now.

Sure it is. A good number of people here live like that - just-in-time, get it when you need it, we don't need to keep extras or prepare. We know urban people who buy Funions and Coke for breakfast at the local convenience store on their way to school, usually because there's nothing in their house to eat. All of them will be looking to fill empty bellies by any means necessary during A Failure of Civility. Desperate people do desperate things. This is not news to any of you.

 

[indyjohn]

So if you do find a person selling what you need, how are you going to pay for it? Paper currency will be worthless. 9mm 115gr FMJ? Pretty valuable. Do you trade away your safety for a little sustenance? Will they come back later and use your ammo against you to reclaim what they sold you earlier?

We've been looking at small denomination 90% silver US coins. Maybe that will buy us into something we want/need or buy our way out of a situation.

Like the OG says "Luck favors the prepared".

 

[ditcherman]

But then I’m the outsider city boy who bought the old fill in the name farm and I think there may be some resentment there as well

Not saying it doesn’t happen, but show respect to the people and the land, don’t bring the city lights out with you and show your new neighbors that you are like minded as far as privacy and rights and they’ll probably accept you, welcome you even.

 

[armalitesheepdog]

Not saying it doesn’t happen, but show respect to the people and the land, don’t bring the city lights out with you and show your new neighbors that you are like minded as far as privacy and rights and they’ll probably accept you, welcome you even.

Hey. At least I’m not from California…..lol
No really though I shoulda been born in the woods somewhere.

 

[OutdoorDad]

Well, we are always expecting that anyway right. Just surprised when it hits any kind of publication.

"You Need Two Years Of Food" - Martin Armstrong Warns "There Will Be Shortages" As 'Perfect Storm' Looms | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Zero Hedge is a publication?

 

[Mij]

Not saying it doesn’t happen, but show respect to the people and the land, don’t bring the city lights out with you and show your new neighbors that you are like minded as far as privacy and rights and they’ll probably accept you, welcome you even.

Agreed, and remember, don’t bring the city lights, or sound. Keep the thugs in the hood, where they are with like kind.

 

[indyartisan]

SELL them to China.

It’s a great market.
China already bought a President and quite a few congress critters.
Maybe we should just buy them instead of all the voting shenanigans.

 

[spencer rifle]

Agreed, and remember, don’t bring the city lights, or sound. Keep the thugs in the hood, where they are with like kind.

The thugs will do that themselves. Outside of the city there's SNAKES! And they are much more afraid of snakes than other people with guns, which they see every day.