Drugs' relationship to crime

[kawtech87]

A krack head has no moral scope, no judgement, no vision past the next fix. This is a drug designed to destroy whom ever attempts to use it. The evidence of the harm it causes is out there first hand. Why pick up the pipe.

Exactly. The addict doesnt care he is breaking the law. The law has no meaning to the addict.

Drugs, hard drugs, wouldnt be a problem if marijuana were made legal, more potent than any street trash dirt weed, and cheaper than the illegal competition.

 

[churchmouse]

My aunt just died a few months ago at less than 50 years old. She got started on Oxy and who knows what all over a decade ago. She was a critical care registered nurse and at one time was being recruited by a hospital in Texas. They flew her down there all expenses paid to recruit her, that's how good she was.

She was always a weenie when it came to pain and due to all the lifting as a nurse, developed some legitimate back issues. She started seeing a pain specialist. One of them is probably still doing time for illegal prescriptions. One of his patients got busted selling it and was his highest prescribed patient. My aunt was the second highest and was taking everthing she could get her hands on. One time they detoxed her and cut her down to 1/7 of what she was on. They said that there was so much in her system that it wasn't even doing what it was supposed to.

I firmly believe Oxy was never going to solve her pain problem as the pain wasn't physical, it was emotional and mental. I've got a sister in law who I think will be down the same path.

I am sorry to hear this. I know the anguish as I have been there. People look for a simple fix in a bottle. Society has become "Micro wave" instant fix.
My sister in law was a total pill head. She thought it cool at first but then found she wanted to be high. It was a choice.

 

[kawtech87]

So they can feed their drug habits?

Doubtfull, So they could feed thier families would be more beliveable.

 

[kawtech87]

When I think of the war on drugs my mind automatically turns to the harder drugs such as crack and heroin. Anyone who has experienced a family member hooked on one of those can attest to how horrible the addiction is. In that sense, the family members are victims. I have seen many users crying wasting away to nothing unable to kick the habit, so in that sense they are vicitms of their own addiction. Marijuana is what it is and will most likely be legal before very long. We shouldn't just catagorically say the war on drugs is a waste and victimless.

How about first hand personal experiance?

I spent 5 years of my life chasing the dragon. Its not a good place to be and my heart goes out to you and your family.

I hope your loved one gets well.

Hard drugs are the problem.

 

[churchmouse]

How about first hand personal experiance?

I spent 5 years of my life chasing the dragon. Its not a good place to be and my heart goes out to you and your family.

I hope your loved one gets well.

Hard drugs are the problem.

I went through a time in my youth not unlike yours. The drugs of choice were not as evil as what is in the hands of users these days. We could get up and walk away if we really wanted to. The effects of meth and krack are from the poisons they are made from. There is very little to no cocaine in crack anymore. It is all synthesized. Coke is to expensive. Just like meth it is a concoction of poisons and crap. This is common knowledge yet kids still put this stuff in their body's.

 

[Hotdoger]

Doubtfull, So they could feed thier families would be more beliveable.

Heroin addicts steal to feed their familes?

 

[goinggreyfast]

Heroin addicts steal to feed their familes?

As well as Gambling Junkies...

 

[kawtech87]

There are those among us that do not fare well in society. They choose to hide from their responsibility's in a bottle or whatever else is convenient. That is not a disease at it is just a weak individual that just can not cope with the everyday world. I know a few folks like that as well.
Not every freaking thing is a disease. Some just can not cut it. Nature (Darwin) has a way of working this out.

A krack head has no moral scope, no judgement, no vision past the next fix. This is a drug designed to destroy whom ever attempts to use it. The evidence of the harm it causes is out there first hand. Why pick up the pipe.

Exactly. The addict doesnt care he is breaking the law. The law has no meaning to the addict..

Hotdoger, do you not read the responses in the threads you post in?

Heroin addicts steal to feed their familes?

Are you still talking about Portugal?

Hard drugs or "soft drugs" like alcohol, grip some people by the throat and never let go. I spent 5 years 5 YEARS of my life on Opium or opiates. Its not heroin but its damn close. I never once stole anything to feed my habbit. I sold or traded alot of my own stuff but I also had a job, and since I was in junior high - highschool during my hard times I had very little else to spend my money on. Which brings us to the core of the CRIME problem. POVERTY. Crime is driven by the necessity to gain what one doesnt have by the only means the person has at thier disposal. Theft is somtimes that means. Not all criminals are drug addicts, not all drug users are criminals. Yes I know thats an oxymoron but you know what Im saying I think.

If your family was starving and it was either steal to feed them or die your telling me that you would let them starve to death?

Maybe if these people had more self control they could walk away like I did. Its a problem with the people themselves. The drug is just an object, IT HAS NO POWER EXCEPT WHAT THE PERSON GIVES IT.


Churchmouse, Im sorry to hear about your brother and sister-in-law. I watched a few of my friends slowly kill themselves before I walked away from it all. They were not dead when I left, they were just circling the drain. Ive since heard a few of them are dead now. Thoughts and prayers to you and yours.

 

[serpicostraight]

i spent many weekends in amsterdam where drugs are legal and i never once seen any crime or violence. due to being legal drugs were cheap nobody needed to steal to get them. and deals werent done in dark alleys with shady people. btw prostitution is legal there too and never seen any problems with that except the occasional argument over the price.

 

[strahd71]

i spent many weekends in amsterdam where drugs are legal and i never once seen any crime or violence. due to being legal drugs were cheap nobody needed to steal to get them. and deals werent done in dark alleys with shady people. btw prostitution is legal there too and never seen any problems with that except the occasional argument over the price.

i've often wondered of this would be the case here but wow its tough to just say ok anything goes what ever folks from a moral stand point to. is anything right? is anything wrong? i fear that kind of world too

jake

 

[serpicostraight]

i've often wondered of this would be the case here but wow its tough to just say ok anything goes what ever folks from a moral stand point to. is anything right? is anything wrong? i fear that kind of world too

jake

i dont know about here because its never been tried. but its been working just fine for years over there.

 

[strahd71]

i dont know about here because its never been tried. but its been working just fine for years over there.

maybe so...... but i hardly think "well it works for them" is a reason to try it.

theres a lot too it for sure

jake

 

[goinggreyfast]

i dont know about here because its never been tried. but its been working just fine for years over there.

Interesting development in Amsterdam regarding tourists. Wonder what effect it will have--if any--on tourism there.

Netherlands Coffee Shops: Tourists To Be Banned From Legal Marijuana Cafes (VIDEO)

 

[hornadylnl]

maybe so...... but i hardly think "well it works for them" is a reason to try it.

theres a lot too it for sure

jake

I spent many a weekend in German night clubs. It was nothing to see a 16 year old girl smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer. It was very rare to see a drunk German acting a fool. The kids didn't because alcohol was no big deal to them. At least 9 out of 10 drunken idiots in German night clubs are GI's.

 

[churchmouse]

I spent many a weekend in German night clubs. It was nothing to see a 16 year old girl smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer. It was very rare to see a drunk German acting a fool. The kids didn't because alcohol was no big deal to them. At least 9 out of 10 drunken idiots in German night clubs are GI's.

All of this says something about us as a society.
I am not sure we as a people have the self control required to open up the flood gates and let the party roll. Some do, too many do not.
There are a lot of folks that do not know what "Limits" are.

 

[hornadylnl]

All of this says something about us as a society.
I am not sure we as a people have the self control required to open up the flood gates and let the party roll. Some do, too many do not.
There are a lot of folks that do not know what "Limits" are.

It's the same thing with nudity over there. People want what is "forbidden". Go to a public swimming pool over there. I was in a dressing room and saw a mother pull her top off right in front of her children. All boys, IIRC. I don't think those boys have the fascination with boobies like a 10 year old boy here who hasn't seen his first set yet.

Would it be crazy here for awhile after legalization? Yes. But given time, I think drugs and alcohol will lose it's appeal to the youth in this country.

 

[j706]

More than 60 Percent of Males Arrested in 2011 Used Drugs, Federal Survey Shows | CNSNews.com

The feds say 60% of male criminals are on drugs, in an obvious attempt to justify the war on drugs, despite widespread opposition to it. The report includes Marijuana, a drug that stays in your system for up to 30 days, and which is legal in some (16) states. Obviously there are flaws in their logic, and they didn't even account for alcohol, presumably because it isn't as evil as "drugs" like marijuana.

But the thing I want to discuss is HOW the police make arrests. Do they patrol looking for crime, and then stop the criminals in the act? Very, very rarely would someone commit a crime when a cop is visible, so that doesn't happen much. But I know what does happen A LOT--police stop cars for "speeding" (more likely for some sort of profiling--I used to have long hair, so I know how they operate), and then perform search and seizures, specifically looking for drugs. This is how cops make most arrests I'm sure. They can't catch someone in the act of crime that involves a victim, so they spend their time carrying out the war on drugs, by harassing and detaining innocent citizens.

So it is no surprise that more than half of the men they arrest are using drugs, because that is who they police are trained to seek out. They can't find evidence of a real crime unless it already happened, but the one bit of evidence that police can find reliably is drugs. I'm sure the police feel good about their (illegal?) search and seizures, because they assume every drug user is a current or future felon.

A second argument I'll bring up, is that it is human nature to seek pleasures of the mind with plants and drugs, especially in the college years for men. Not coincidentally, more testosterone driven young men are probably arrested for misbehaving, unrelated to their drug usage. It should be considered then that it is possible that half of the entire male population from the ages of 18-24 are "on drugs". So what we have is a penal system that fails to acknowledge the nature of man, and is arresting America's youth en masse based on the philosophy of the war on drugs, which makes a false presumption, and self fulfilling prophecy, that all drugs are a sign or symptom of crime (which is only true when you make drug users criminals).

I would be wiling to bet that figure is way off. I would estimate 95% of the arrests I see and take part in involve drugged or drunk (or a combination) persons. An easy no BS 95 percent!

 

[strahd71]

I would be wiling to bet that figure is way off. I would estimate 95% of the arrests I see and take part in involve drugged or drunk (or a combination) persons. An easy no BS 95 percent!

It doesnt sound unreasonable!

Jake

 

[churchmouse]

It's the same thing with nudity over there. People want what is "forbidden". Go to a public swimming pool over there. I was in a dressing room and saw a mother pull her top off right in front of her children. All boys, IIRC. I don't think those boys have the fascination with boobies like a 10 year old boy here who hasn't seen his first set yet.

Would it be crazy here for awhile after legalization? Yes. But given time, I think drugs and alcohol will lose it's appeal to the youth in this country.

To some, yes. Many will not have the moral fiber to set any boundary's but like gambling, it will take a few down.

 

[figley]

All of this says something about us as a society.
I am not sure we as a people have the self control required to open up the flood gates and let the party roll. Some do, too many do not.
There are a lot of folks that do not know what "Limits" are.

Alright, let's look at this a little deeper. The German teens have self-control, but American GI's don't. Does that mean that the Germans are genetically superior? Or does it mean that we, as Americans, have had self-control bred out of us, by an overbearing nanny-state, that decides what we may or may not put into our bodies, without a prescription? (state permission to ingest drugs that lobbyists clients are profiting from)

Eventually, the only, "limits", a person may know, are the ones legally imposed. Once those limits are lifted, that same person does have trouble discerning for himself where and when to stop.