Ebola on the horizon?

[88GT]

I thought I'd share some information from my source and what it means. It appears there are more than few employees at that hospital that are living in the building until they pass the quarantine time for the disease. They did not want to take it home. The rumor mill was that 20 to 30 secret infections were in the hospital, but in reality they were people that did not want to risk infecting their families.

Either is it transmittable between casual contact or it's not. With the exception of marital relations, how many family members are in such close contact, let alone contact with each others' bodily fluids, that merely living in the same residence as them is a risk? This is somewhat rhetorical, since we know that several of the cases in Africa were transmitted between family members who had no more contact with each other than sharing a bed or eating at the same table.

It may not be "airborne" like the flu, but it doesn't require a bath in someone's blood or vomit either.

 

[singlesix]

Either is it transmittable between casual contact or it's not. With the exception of marital relations, how many family members are in such close contact, let alone contact with each others' bodily fluids, that merely living in the same residence as them is a risk? This is somewhat rhetorical, since we know that several of the cases in Africa were transmitted between family members who had no more contact with each other than sharing a bed or eating at the same table.

It may not be "airborne" like the flu, but it doesn't require a bath in someone's blood or vomit either.

Well down in parts of Kentucky ......

 

[smokingman]

ABC7 Chicago reports, two unrelated passengers (one child - vomiting, no fever; one adult - nausea, diarrhea, no fever) originating from Liberia became ill en route to O'Hare International Airport. The two patients are being monitored in isolation at The University of Chicago Medical Center and Rush University Medical Center but based on the latest reports and risk exposures (from the Chicago Ebola Resource Network), the CDC has determined not to test them for Ebola.

Chicago Hospitals Monitoring 2 Sick Passengers From Liberia, CDC Not Testing For Ebola | Zero Hedge

 

[smokingman]

ABC7 Chicago reports, two unrelated passengers (one child - vomiting, no fever; one adult - nausea, diarrhea, no fever) originating from Liberia became ill en route to O'Hare International Airport. The two patients are being monitored in isolation at The University of Chicago Medical Center and Rush University Medical Center but based on the latest reports and risk exposures (from the Chicago Ebola Resource Network), the CDC has determined not to test them for Ebola.

Chicago Hospitals Monitoring 2 Sick Passengers From Liberia, CDC Not Testing For Ebola | Zero Hedge

Adding some facts from the New England Journal of Medicine.
12.9% did not have a fever (11.8% of those who died did not) - About 1 in 8 do NOT have a fever.

23.6% did not feel fatigue (23.6% of those who died did not) - About 1 out of 4 do NOT feel fatigue.

32.4% did not vomit (30.6% of those who died did not) - About 1 out of 3 do NOT vomit.

34.4% did not have diarrhea (31.7% of those who died did not) - Anout 1 out of 3 do NOT have diarrhea.

In addition:

35.5% did not have loss of appetite (36% of those who died did not)

46.6% did not have a headache (46.2% of those who died did not)

55.7% did not have abdominal pain (56.5% of those who died did not)

60.6% did not have joint pain (59.3% of those who died did not

61.1% did not have muscle pain (59.8% of those who died did not)

63.0% did not have chest pain (59.8% of those who died did not

79.2% did not have conjunctivitis (red Ebola eyes) (76.4% of those who died did not)

82.0% did not have unexplained bleeding (79.8% of those who died did not)

29.6% of Ebola patients DO cough. And 32.5% of people who died from Ebola did develop a cough.(1 out of 3)

Full tables and charts at the link,the paper was published 10/16/2014
MMS: Error

The Link to the New England Journal of Medicine works.
Link to my thread with a speech from Michael Osterholm(head of CIDRAP Centers For Infectious Disease Research and policy)mentioning the inadequate response of the USA in monitoring only temperature as a guideline.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...la-michael-osterholm-speech-10-19-2014-a.html

 

[pudly]

And they still won't do anything to try and keep potentially infected people from coming to the US. Even if they do manage to identify someone who is sick and isolate them after arriving, all of the airplane passengers were forced to spend hours in close proximity.

 

[Thebarkus]

The real scare is when this death wish hits South America and we have the swarm of refugees hitting our borders. Will this then be considered a real threat?

 

[Thebarkus]

It's scary that my response is #666 but this is a real threat that we are facing and how will we react???

 

[jedi]

How much does as ebola test cost.
WTF is the cdc not testing these 2!!!!

 

[dusty88]

I don't know what an Ebola test costs or if they should have been tested.

However, most diagnoses are best done by accurate history and clinical signs. We don't know what part of Liberia these people were in, when they were there, nor full details of their medical history.

It is my understanding that Ebola tests often show negative early in the disease process anyway. And supposedly these people and their families are being isolated from others. So I'm not sure that an Ebola test, of whatever type, is prudent. I also don't know if there is any difficulty increasing the production of test reagents. It might be rational to do what they are doing: isolate for now and test later if needed. I don't know.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Liberians exiled by Ebola pray for end of outbreak

US Border Agent: We Are Not Ready For Ebola

 

[dusty88]

Liberians exiled by Ebola pray for end of outbreak

US Border Agent: We Are Not Ready For Ebola

The border issues are one of the things that bring me great concern. Even if Ebola never becomes more threatening to us, it is highlighting weaknesses.

If we ever NEED to close that border because of infectious disease concerns, then we finally have to answer the question "how".

 

[jedi]

That how question is very easy. Every man, women, child on a makeshift wall with arms.
If zombie ebola was coming from the south at the end of the day that is how it will occurs.
The fear in the public would stop all this bs, pc and you bet when faced with zombie ebola that line will be as such.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Breaking: CDC announces 21-day monitoring of anyone returning to US from Ebola-stricken nations

https://twitter.com/AP/status/524949065919115264

 

[Bunnykid68]

Are we all dead yet? Do 1000's have it yet? Is it as bad as the Swine Flu wasnt?

 

[T.Lex]

Updated WHO numbers as of 19 Oct - 9,936 cases and 4,877 deaths. That's a daily avg. increase of 1.2%.

Remains confined to Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

Looks like we'll break 10k total by Friday's numbers. Wonder if WHO/CDC will back off of predictions of 10k/wk by the end of November.

Reported numbers show a slowdown of infections and deaths.

 

[BigMatt]

Updated WHO numbers as of 19 Oct - 9,936 cases and 4,877 deaths. That's a daily avg. increase of 1.2%.

Remains confined to Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

Looks like we'll break 10k total by Friday's numbers. Wonder if WHO/CDC will back off of predictions of 10k/wk by the end of November.

Reported numbers show a slowdown of infections and deaths.

There has been a slowdown of infections in some areas and an increase in others. Also, Reuters says the real infection/death toll could be much higher...

Official WHO Ebola toll near 5,000 with true number nearer 15,000 | Reuters

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah, that is a constant factor with this reporting.

In terms of cases in new areas, I see this as similar to a grass fire. As it exhausts the place it started, it moves out. But, if you can keep it under control in the new areas, then you can control the whole thing.

It seems like, although the geographical footprint is expanding, the actual net new cases is decreasing (reporting issues aside). We will probably never know the true number of deaths in West Africa from this outbreak. But, we can only use the numbers we're given.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Possible case in florida. Medical worker just got back from west africa, high fever

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...ola-doctor-africa-hospital-nyc-280215302.html

 

[dusty88]

Did I beat GPIAto an ebola link ?
Seriously appreciate all the updates here

Officials Looking Into Possible Ebola Case In New York City « CBS New York

Loojs like perhaps this doc was doing the right thing and self-isolating

 

[dusty88]

T lex that's a fairly good analogy to epidemiology concerns. New areas of outbreaks are the indicators to worry about.