Epi-pen price

[foszoe]

Medical costs......clear evidence to me that when the gov't succeeds in regulating, capitalism fails

 

[CavMedic]

You can get multidose vials of 1:1,000 so that you don't have to worry about the fragments from ampules AND you can get them in 1ml, so that reduces the chances of inadvertently giving too large a dose. This is the way I have gone. I am not paying those epi-pen prices.

Sure, that is the better way, but just waanted to make sure that someone going DIY knows what kinda things to get so that they are aware of the cons.

 

[actaeon277]

Maybe someone can explain this to me. What's so special about the injector?
I was in the navy 85-91, and I remember nerve gas antidotes with auto injectors. So why is this one so special?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Maybe someone can explain this to me. What's so special about the injector?
I was in the navy 85-91, and I remember nerve gas antidotes with auto injectors. So why is this one so special?

It's not. But unlike the injectors you used, these injectors are backed by a government patent which prevents competition.

EDIT: or they were protected too, but since .gov was the sole client, it really didnt matter.

 

[BogWalker]

How do you go about getting a bottle of epenephrine? Same way you go about getting the auto inject?

 

[Icarry2]

Have your Doctor write a script for an Ampule and a syringe or one of the items in the link. Way cheaper..

A-1 MEDICAL INTEGRATION - Sales Inventory - Syringe Pre-load - Epinephrine

 

[rhino]

Maybe someone can explain this to me. What's so special about the injector?
I was in the navy 85-91, and I remember nerve gas antidotes with auto injectors. So why is this one so special?

Those atropine injectors are probably very expensive, but few people have purchased them privately, so we don't know about them. Probably the same with the morphine syrettes that military medics carry (or did).

 

[Cameramonkey]

So anyone know firsthand what the price was a couple years ago? (actual purchasers/users, no speculation please)

 

[PistolBob]

yeah...insulin since 2012 has increased almost 1000% yes...10 times

Democrats...what are they good for? Absolutely nothing
Congress...what is it good for? Absolutely nothing

 

[jd4320t]

yeah...insulin since 2012 has increased almost 1000% yes...10 times

Democrats...what are they good for? Absolutely nothing
Congress...what is it good for? Absolutely nothing

I can't speak for the epipen but I do know a little about insulin manufacturing. Prices on things will always go up. We can be running normal, doing everything exactly how we're supposed to and one audit from the FDA or EMA makes us have to change things. Changes cost money. It's a part of business. If you find a product that is able to maintain a low price and change it's because they find a cheaper way to make it or cheaper materials. We can't do that with medicine. Everything we use costs a premium and the prices will keep going up.

I want good medicine when I need it. We all do. The FDA, EMA and others like them are the problem and they have limitless power.

 

[foszoe]

I can't speak for the epipen but I do know a little about insulin manufacturing. Prices on things will always go up. We can be running normal, doing everything exactly how we're supposed to and one audit from the FDA or EMA makes us have to change things. Changes cost money. It's a part of business. If you find a product that is able to maintain a low price and change it's because they find a cheaper way to make it or cheaper materials. We can't do that with medicine. Everything we use costs a premium and the prices will keep going up.

I want good medicine when I need it. We all do. The FDA, EMA and others like them are the problem and they have limitless power.

The FDA is definitely part of the problem when it comes to cost of medicines. So is greed since it produces the lobby that influences the choices the FDA makes.

 

[bwframe]

In the past 6 years the FDA has increased audits many many times over what it did prior to Obama. The documentation requirements alone are beyond burdensome. Read this as documentation is required for the documentation of the documentation. What once took ten people to accomplish now takes 100 and that is just the beginning.

 

[pudly]

Use at your own risk, but it is interesting. How to build your own epipen clone for $30:

https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/09/20/055225/hackers-offer-a-diy-alternative-to-the-600-epipen

 

[rhino]

Use at your own risk, but it is interesting. How to build your own epipen clone for $30:

https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/09/20/055225/hackers-offer-a-diy-alternative-to-the-600-epipen

That's the kind of innovation that gives me hope for our species.

It's also the kind of thing that could spur some competition in the market.

Competition = better products, better availability, & better prices

 

[bwframe]

My friends, the only thing that will even begin to inspire competition in the market is a presidential administration change. Extreme federal regulation of food, drugs, business, etc. is over the top at this time. Let alone the insanity of Obamacare and all it encompasses.

One guy says he'll fix this. Just sayin'...

 

[pudly]

That's the kind of innovation that gives me hope for our species.

It's also the kind of thing that could spur some competition in the market.

Competition = better products, better availability, & better prices

Sorry rhino. Agree with you in principle, but the govt (FDA) has been actively thwarting competition. The only current solution is to bypass govt regulation and do it yourself.

 

[rhino]

Sorry rhino. Agree with you in principle, but the govt (FDA) has been actively thwarting competition. The only current solution is to bypass govt regulation and do it yourself.

Seems like the mechanical part could be manufactured without labeling it for medical use and completely bypass FDA.

 

[jd4320t]

That's a bad idea all around. I believe moving from container to container messes with the shelf life of the medicine which ultimately affects the potency. It isn't something I'd ever gamble with unless it was shtf or similar.

Also, give those materials and instructions to a hundred people. See how many mess it up is some way. Not worth it.

 

[pudly]

That's why the first words in my post were "Use at your own risk". If you are incompetent and unwilling to accept responsibility for the results of your work, then you shouldn't try any do-it-yourself project.

 

[jd4320t]

Sterility and dosage. Two things you don't mess with. I've literally thrown away millions of dollars worth of medicine because there was a chance one of these were compromised.