Escorted out of the Glenbrook Mall

[shibumiseeker]

Hmm. I just left a mall I will be avoiding as much as possible, in which I never saw a policy until today after seeing this thread. Their's was posted on the side wall inside the first set of doors also.
Been going there my entire life and never seen it.
Oh well, I prefer online shopping better anyway and I was just tagging along with the folks.

I have set foot in the local mall exactly once in the last five years when I had to meet someone. In large part because of their publicly stated policy forbidding firearms on their premises (Simon Malls) and in small part because malls themselves give me the creeps.

 

[CitiusFortius]

. Also I will tell you that the constitutional right for guns only applies to the home. Away from home is a privilege and the state issues you a permit allowing you to do that." Again I disagreed.

He's actually correct about this, according to the supreme court anyway.

 

[Mark 1911]

He's actually correct about this, according to the supreme court anyway.

Hopefully that is about to change.

 

[KG1]

He's actually correct about this, according to the supreme court anyway.

I think I would beg to differ because the Supreme court has not specifically ruled on carry outside the home. I believe that is coming down the pike though in the future due to conflicting lower court rulings on the subject.

 

[glockednlocked]

Ivytech offer intro to constitutional law up in Ft. W ? or should the letter to his chief recommend a high school level civics class with a very sloooow speaking teacher?

 

[CitiusFortius]

I think I would beg to differ because the Supreme court has not specifically ruled on carry outside the home. I believe that is coming down the pike though in the future due to conflicting lower court rulings on the subject.

Yes, a decision is coming, but it may or may not be in our favor. Appeals courts went in our favor in CA but against us in Maryland I believe. The NRA is backing a couple cases they are trying to get in front of the Supreme Court. Not sure on the timeline though. But the CA decision is huge.

The ruling, by two of the 9th Circuit's most conservative judges, conflicted with holdings in most other circuits and established gun rights beyond what the U.S. Supreme Court has guaranteed. The high court has applied the 2nd Amendment in the context of possessing guns in the home, not in the streets, experts said.

Court overturns restrictions on concealed guns in much of California - latimes.com

 

[Indiana Camper]

You have a perfect situation here to write a letter or better yet set up a meeting with the Chief or another high brass member of the department. Instead of whining about the whole ordeal you can actually say that the officer was kind and polite. You can even compliment him on that. I think that will give you more credibility. Please do us all a favor and follow up on this. It sounds like he was not being a jerk but he's wrong on several points and this will be a good chance to get not only him but possible his whole department brought up to speed.
Good luck.

 

[JetGirl]

It's only posted at that ONE door... AND it's a double negative! So actually it means you should have one!!

 

[JetGirl]

 

[jbombelli]

Technically speaking, that sign requires people to carry firearms. NO firearms are not permitted.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Vive le double negative!

 

[rhino]

Malls ... meh.

 

[JetGirl]

Technically speaking, that sign requires people to carry firearms. NO firearms are not permitted.

This is what I'm saying!
I took that pic a long time ago thinking they'd catch on and change it...but it's still the same one!!

 

[MisterChester]

This is what I'm saying!
I took that pic a long time ago thinking they'd catch on and change it...but it's still the same one!!

Technically that means mall cops will have to escort people out that aren't carrying.

 

[sloughfoot]

I think this thread would be a lot more fun if the OP had gone to his car, covered up without the Officer observing, then walked back into the mall. Then reported what happened when the Officer saw him come back in.

 

[ryknoll3]

Do police officers have the authority to enforce a store's no firearms sign absent a request from store management?

 

[JetGirl]

Do police officers have the authority to enforce a store's no firearms sign absent a request from store management?

And also, do police have the authority to enforce a store's non no firearms sign?
If so...will they be handing out the required firearms to carry??

 

[2A_Tom]

You are required to leave private property if the owner or his representative requests that you do.

If you refuse upon request, it becomes tresspass a misdemeanor.

If you return and are asked to leave and refuse it is criminal tresspass a felony.

If you have not been asked to leave you have not committed a crime.

IMHO the police should never be called unless a crime has been committed or there is reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot.

If someone calls in a false alarm such as but not limited to MWAG, trespassing when the owner has not asked the person to leave and someone carrying a long gun, it should be criminally prosecutable.

The non criminal should be able to file a civil suit.

 

[2A_Tom]

And also, do police have the authority to enforce a store's non no firearms sign?
If so...will they be handing out the required firearms to carry??

I'll take a Range Officer, Thank you.

 

[Smokepole]

I am not clear from what he said whether he was responding to a call, or if he took it upon himself to escort you out of the mall, i.e made the "call" on his own initiative? If someone didn't call in a MWAG, he wouldn't have any reason to be there, would he?

I think most malls have anti-gun policies these days. That's why I just stay out of malls and make an effort to spend my money where people are more gun friendly.

This ^

If he took it upon himself it is clearly an overstep. Mall policy is NOT THE LAW.

It's not uncommon for places like stores and malls to hire off duty officers to work security in uniform. I have worked in plenty of places that did. They still have full arrest powers while in the security role but usually prefer for obvious reasons to avoid the paperwork involved with an arrest while performing the security gig. If he was paid security then it would likely be his job to enforce mall rules and policy, so he would likely have been doing his job by walking up to the OP and asking him to leave. He didn't necessarily have to have been off duty or working and in the mall while deciding to take enforcing mall rules on his own.

On the other hand, mall security could have just seen him and asked him to assist because they didn't want to confront an armed citizen/patron.