Executive Orders Ahead???

[finity]

Seeing what has happened the first term, do any of you really think obama will be impeached? Does anyone really think that obama will be stopped at anything he wants to do? no one has stopped anything he has wanted to do yet, when congress doesnt do what he wants, he just writes it, and no one stops him. Obamacare, NDAA, and all the other crap he has done has gotten through with no problems. There is no one in gov't that will stand up to him, we have already seen this. it will take more than rand paul to stop whats coming. Obamacare is law, NDAA is law, another 5 trillion will be added to our debt, taxes will go up, and they will take our guns, this is not only proven in history, the blatantly admit that they will stop at nothing to do what they want. And every year, more and more democrats are created by the horrible economy, by gov't assistance, more radical media, the cycle is just getting worse. i honestly do not see anything changing for the better.

Obamacare was pased by both houses of congress. He didn't bypass congress.

If I remember correctly he was initially opposed to NDAA but then caved later. AFTER it was passed (again) by both houses of congress.

I don't think I need to remind you that the House is controlled by Republicans. Do I?

Other than those things & the misguided & ill-concieved "fast & furious" debacle (which don't rise to the level of impeachable offenses though someone should have been held accountable) what exactly did OBAMA specifically & individually do that he deserves to be impeached for?

Or is it just that your guy(s) lost & now you're pissed so you are looking to make him look bad by being on a continous emotionally fueled rant with no facts to back it up?

I don't necessarily like the guy either (I don't see him being much better than Bush, certainly not worse than him) but I don't need to make stuff up.

If Bush didn't deserve impeachment for lying about the reason for going into Iraq, warrantless wiretaps on US citizens, secret rendition to countries that allowed torture, waterboarding, Abu Ghraib, trying to deny Habeaus Corpus & all of the other things he did then Obama DEFINITELY doesn't deserve it. He's been tame compared to all that. Or at worst just continued the policies that the last guy had that those on the Right seemed pretty happy with.

Not to mention that if you want try to say that Obama caused the debt to increase then Bush caused the debt to almost TRIPLE in his 8 years in office. It was only a little less than 4 trilion when Bush came into office & when he left it was over 11 trillion. It was Cheney who famously said that "deficits don't matter" & it was Ronnie himself (along with all of the people from his administration who came back under Bush) that allowed the deficits & debt we had then to be an acceptable policy in Washington. You can thank all of those sweethearts of the right for that mess & it's continuation.

You can't complain about the debt & then complain about higher taxes (needed to pay it off) all the while wanting to maintain all of our "foreign entanglements" to support the overgrown military industrial complex (wasn't that a republican who warned us about that?).

Except for being anti-gun I don't see almost ANY difference between him & Bush. AND Bush wasn't all THAT pro-gun since he sent his solicitor general to argue AGAINST Heller at the Supreme Court.

 

[10ring]

Obamacare was passed by both houses of congress. He didn't bypass congress.

Actually the senate did it via reconciliation requiring only 50 votes, which during the Bush years Harry Reid referred to as the "nuclear option". It's only "nuclear" when it would work against the socialist agenda.

 

[bluewraith]

Wait.. now don't dogpile on me here.. but if we impeach obama wouldn't that mean we'd then be "lead" by this guy?

Seems to me like we're kinda dorked either way?

 

[Doug]

Wait.. now don't dogpile on me here.. but if we impeach obama wouldn't that mean we'd then be "lead" by this guy?

Seems to me like we're kinda dorked either way?

Why else would Joe "Bite Me" be V.P?
It keeps Obama in office.

 

[bwframe]

We didn't "fire" Clinton.

He was impeached but that doesn't mean he was convicted. So, in effect, he wasn't "impeached".

The reason he got so popular was because most people could see that the real reason he was brought up on impeachment proceedings is because the republicans were trying to throw everything at him that they could (no matter how trivial) & hope that something stuck. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on which side you were on) nothing did stick except the lying under oath charge (for which he was disbarred but not "impeached").

See now, this is exactly what I'm talking about. The outright attack of your adversary, even if totally legit, can result in emboldening their followers. Much better to lay the groundwork to let them hang themselves.

 

[87iroc]

I don't think I need to remind you that the House is controlled by Republicans. Do I?

Are you trying to imply Republican's were in control of the House when Obamacare passed? I believe thats before they lost in the 2010 election. Obamacare was what cost them the house in 2010 if I recall right.

I couldn't tell if thats what you were trying to imply or was that line in reference to the impeachment talk(although it doesn't feel like it fits there either).

 

[printcraft]

UMPOSSIBLE!

I have heard for a couple of years now on INGO that obama would not come after guns.

 

[finity]

Actually the senate did it via reconciliation requiring only 50 votes, which during the Bush years Harry Reid referred to as the "nuclear option". It's only "nuclear" when it would work against the socialist agenda.

Actually, the original Act was passed by the senate by a vote of 60-39 to overcome a filibuster.

The Act was only AMENDED by reconciliation (which is not, & never has been, subject to a filibuster hence no "nuclear option" was necessary - it was just a normal vote) by a vote of 56-43.

The term "nuclear option" was coined by Trent Lott in 2003 not by Harry Reid & its use was threatened against the minority democrats by the majority republicans for Bush's court appointees.

So, no, the "nuclear option" wasn't used to pass Obamacare.

Are you trying to imply Republican's were in control of the House when Obamacare passed?

No.

I'm trying to SAY that Obama didn't bypass congress to pass it.

Also, the Republicans WERE in control of the House when the NDAA passed (along with control of all of congress for the passage of the original Patriot Act & the rest of the crap that happened during Bush's administration).

My point is that republicans or conservatives aren't NEARLY as virtuous as many here like to imply that they are.

If you go along with it when you're in charge, you can't complain when the other guys do it when they're in charge.