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  • Miller Tyme

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    Family says NJ overreacted to boy's gun photo
    By WAYNE PARRY Associated Press The Associated Press
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:43 PM EDT


    The ruddy-cheeked, camouflage-clad boy in the photo smiles out from behind a pair of glasses, proudly holding a gun his father gave him as a present for his upcoming 11th birthday.
    The weapon in the photo, posted by his dad on Facebook, resembles a military-style assault rifle but, his father says, is actually just a .22-caliber copy. And that, the family believes, is why child welfare case workers and police officers visited the home in Carneys Point last Friday and asked to see his guns.
    New Jersey's Department of Children and Families declined to comment specifically on the case but says it often follows up on tips. The family and an attorney say father Shawn Moore's Second Amendment rights to bear arms were threatened in a state that already has some of the nation's strictest gun laws and is considering strengthening them after December's schoolhouse massacre in Connecticut.
    In this case, the family believes someone called New Jersey's anonymous child abuse hot line.
    Shawn Moore said he gave his son Josh the gun as a present to use on hunting trips. The elder Moore was at a friend's house when his wife called, saying state child welfare investigators, along with four local police officers, were at the house, asking to inspect the family's guns.
    Moore said he called his lawyer Evan Nappen, who specializes in Second Amendment cases, and had him on speaker phone as he arrived at his house in Carneys Point, just across the Delaware River from Wilmington, Del.
    "They said they wanted to see into my safe and see if my guns were registered," Moore said. "I said no; in New Jersey, your guns don't have to be registered with the state; it's voluntary. I knew once I opened that safe, there was no going back."
    With the lawyer listening in on the phone, Moore said he asked the investigators and police officers whether they had a warrant to search his home. When they said no, he asked them to leave. One of the child welfare officials would not identify herself when Moore asked for her name, he said.
    The agents and the police officers left, and nothing has happened since, he said.
    "I don't like what happened," he said. "You're not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."
    State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse of neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.
    "It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."
    Carneys Point Police Chief Robert DiGregorio did not answer a call late Tuesday to his office, which said only he would be able to comment.
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    Parry reported from Pleasantville, N.J. He can be reached at twitter.com/WayneParryAC
     

    LeftEyeBill

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    It's gotten insane... This anti gun people are developing what can only be called a phobia about firearms. It's got to the point that they can't even stand to see a gun, or anything shaped like a gun. They can't tell reality from representation anymore. In some places you can now get kicked out of a building/school for pointing your finger at someone. They're afraid of little plastic toy army men on a child's cupcakes, and even fear a PopTart that a child ate in to a rudimentary gun shape... These people really need help, I fear they are going of the deep end. It would be funny if some of them weren't in charge of schools and so forth.
     

    ultra...good

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    Whatever happened to the traditional right of passage where a father takes his son out hunting, shooting, whatever.
    How does this photo of a smiling kid holding a target rifle justify my tax dollars paying for that child protective service agent making a house call? How about my tax dollars being wasted to send 4 uniformed officers to escort her? I pay taxes, I want to know.

    The freaking idiots want to waste their time and money, fine. You start wasting my money, via tax dollars, you are accountable to me for that. I am a tax paying citizen.
    We need some way to counter these idiotic witch hunts we have been subjected to lately and it seems like this may be the only way.
     

    LarryC

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    Maybe there is some way to figure out who complained to the Child services. If you found out it was XX, then you could make a weekly call in to complain that XX were beating (one week) starving (next week) failing to discipline (third week) their child. Heck I would volunteer, call in least a couple times and state, I think XX were guilty of child molestation (even if they don't have kids)! Should be some way to get even with the BastaXX's. They say they MUST investigate every complaint and the person calling in cannot be punished...
     

    CQB

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    Guarantee this originated from a young nosey liberal asinine teacher at this kid's school who overheard the rightfully boastful boy telling his friends about his new present. Stories like these are getting plain sickening.
     

    Freedom4all

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    They have names for all kinds of mental illnesses. They have drugs and therapy to treat them. Having such a deep fear and looming anxiety about guns definitely fits the general qualifications for a mental illness. I'd rather see my tax money go to research and education for these "gun mentally ill" people to help them become normal constitution following citizens. Rather then wasting my taxes investigating false information given to professionals by idiots.
     

    maverick18

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    My wife and I went through the whole process to become foster parents. Part of the deal is to have a home inspection. You should have seen the look on the Nancy government employees face when he was going through the checklist and hit the question about firearms in the house. He was just going real fast down the list and wasn't expecting me to say yes to any of them. The look on his face was priceless!!!
    Then he proceeds to tell me that I have to have the guns locked in a safe, with a trigger lock on each gun and the ammo locked up in another safe. Ok, no big deal on my hunting rifles and whatnot. His game, his rules. Then I ask, what about the gun that I carry? I have never seen someone's eyes get so big!! He was stammering and was mumbling about having to check with his boss and whatnot.
    Long story short, as long as the gun was on my person, Loaded and locked was fine, but when I went to bed it had to be unloaded and locked. Needless to say we didn't stay in the foster system for too long.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    I'm with the guy until this:

    "I don't like what happened," he said. "You're not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."

    You are safe in your own home, they didn't MAKE you open safes or go through the house. They asked permission, you said no, they left. Why the "its like tyranny" cry when none of what you just said happened?

    If someone called me in for child abuse, no matter how stupidly, I would expect someone to show up and check that out. I would also refuse them entry into my home without a warrant. Simply showing up and asking questions does not a tyranny make.
     

    ultra...good

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    He kind of has a point that you kind of allude to. Child services called, need to verify that the child is OK. What will looking into the safe prove in regards to the welfare of the child?

    I have been on the wrong end of a police encounter. Not to say it happened in this situation, but I have personally seen police try everything they could to get me to incriminate myself.

    Also, the article that I read, cannot find it and the one in the original post is not it, there was more of this type back and forth between the guy and the officers. The "why won't you let us look in the safe if you have nothing to hide" line. The part about the case worker not showing credentials or identifying herself, what is up with that?

    Edit; this is a link to what I read, a forum post from the guy himself. Like I stated, they did not just show up and ask and when told no go away. At least according to him, and from my experiences, I believe him.

    http://deloc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8175&sid=4ea46e4280359ae5dd4b26dddd1c53e7
     
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