FBI investigating Bundy supporters

[Lex Concord]

Broken record time.

Property taxes render title holders mere tenants when you get down to the brass tacks.

The governments own it all, and grant individuals license to use and, to a degree, control certain segments of real estate so long as those individuals behave as desired.

The general acceptance of this arrangement or its supposed justifications, or the concept that it is the will of the people, however direct or indirect, do not alter it's nature or make it any more palatable or moral.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled pointless pissing match.

 

[Double T]

Not tracking.

Property owners have certain duties--not to create attractive nuisances, not to use their property as a weapon against others, etc.--one of those duties is to enforce their right to possess the property and exclude others from the property.

This is what the property owner is doing against Bundy.

Those who do not have title to my property have no right to be upon it. This is true of another's property.

But what about when the property owner is the taxpayer? How can someone be kicked off of public land? Kind of like taking a dog to a city park IMO.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

How can someone be kicked off of public land? Kind of like taking a dog to a city park IMO.

The city park sets the terms. Just as the city can set hours or a rule that you curb your dog, the BLM wanted a fee to graze cattle. Bundy wanted something for nothing.

Cannot be kicked off public land?

Say you are going to a public pool but you have to pay $5 to use the pool. You jump the turnstile and go for a dip. You can be kicked out for not paying.

Say you go to city park and want to rent a canoe. Do you think that you can just grab a canoe and use it? Do you think you can be thrown out?

Could one walk into a police station, plop down at a desk and light up a cigar and say "meye right, I pay taxes"???

What if I go to a public park in downtown Indianapolis and set up tin cans for a little M14 target practice? Think they can kick me out?

 

[Double T]

The city park sets the terms. Just as the city can set hours or a rule that you curb your dog, the BLM wanted a fee to graze cattle. Bundy wanted something for nothing.

Cannot be kicked off public land?

Say you are going to a public pool but you have to pay $5 to use the pool. You jump the turnstile and go for a dip. You can be kicked out for not paying.

Say you go to city park and want to rent a canoe. Do you think that you can just grab a canoe and use it? Do you think you can be thrown out?

Could one walk into a police station, plop down at a desk and light up a cigar and say "meye right, I pay taxes"???

What if I go to a public park in downtown Indianapolis and set up tin cans for a little M14 target practice? Think they can kick me out?

They CAN but the matter at hand is should they be able to

 

[jamil]

But what about when the property owner is the taxpayer? How can someone be kicked off of public land? Kind of like taking a dog to a city park IMO.

Kirk used the proper terminology. Practically speaking, it's not public land. It's government land. More specifically, it's BLM's land. Well, even more specifically, in effect, Neil Kornze owns it.

 

[hornadylnl]

Kirk used the proper terminology. Practically speaking, it's not public land. It's government land. More specifically, it's BLM's land. Well, even more specifically, in effect, Neil Kornze owns it.

All 654,885,389acres of it.

 

[lonehoosier]

Arizona man gets 68 years in Bundy standoff case
Arizona man gets 68 years in Bundy standoff case | Fox News

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Those that went and pointed guns at cops are about to find out how in the wrong they were.

It's like that Kirk Freeman knows what he is talking about or something.

I am certain the INGOtarians are organizing fund raisers for the new BoP prisoner's family.

 

[HoughMade]

I look at this more as occupying federal BoP facilities as a form of protest.

 

[T.Lex]

I look at this more as occupying federal BoP facilities as a form of protest.

Protesting by going where they force you to go.

Dude. That's totally zen.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Too bad theiy're not interested in the Seth Rich " robbery " / MURDER . Seems like political espionage and elections would be more their thing .

 

[rhino]

Arizona man gets 68 years in Bundy standoff case
Arizona man gets 68 years in Bundy standoff case | Fox News

Is 68 years consistent with the nature and circumstances of the crime as compared to criminals who did stuff that didn't make the national news?

 

[HoughMade]

Is 68 years consistent with the nature and circumstances of the crime as compared to criminals who did stuff that didn't make the national news?

If it is not the appeal will sort that out. Federal sentencing guidelines are very formulaic, unlike many states.

 

[mcjon77]

Is 68 years consistent with the nature and circumstances of the crime as compared to criminals who did stuff that didn't make the national news?

Federal sentencing guidelines can be EXTRAORDINARILY HARSH when a prosecutor wants them to be. For example, you can get 20 years in prison just for lying on your immigration/visa application. There is a reason why over 87% of federal defendants take a plea and the feds have a conviction rate of 99.8%. If you take it to trial, the feds will punish you for it. For example, a guy who was much more prominent than Mr. Burleson, Gerald DeLemus, took a plea deal and will do 7 years. 7 years is a lot, but it is manageable. You can actually see a light at the end of the tunnel. On the other hand, 68 years is the kind of sentence where you start thinking of ending your own life, because it is basically over anyway.

As a side note. I remember watching this unfold back in 2014 and thinking "how do these guys get away with pointing guns at the feds and making them back down?" I guess they didn't.

 

[ATM]

...As a side note. I remember watching this unfold back in 2014 and thinking "how do these guys get away with pointing guns at the feds and making them back down?" I guess they didn't.

Yes, they did.

 

[jamil]

Yes, they did.

Yeah. They made the feds back down. But 68 years in prison isn't exactly getting away with it. He's ot the only one going to jail.

 

[ATM]

Yeah. They made the feds back down. But 68 years in prison isn't exactly getting away with it. He's ot the only one going to jail.

"It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong."

~Voltaire

 

[jamil]

"It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong."

~Voltaire

Yes. Sure. But that wasn't what you said. You said, "Yes they did" to "they didn't get away with it". Well, "they" only got away with it if you divest yourself from reality, and abstract the meaning of words to the point where they can mean anything you want them to mean. The guy going to prison for 68 years is most likely thinking to himself that he made a mistake.

 

[T.Lex]

They got away with it until they didn't.

Like the guy that jumps off the top floor of a skyscraper and during the fall is heard to say, "So far, so good."

 

[ATM]

Sometimes people will kill you or throw you in a cage for what you get away with. Always count the potential cost as choices have consequences.

Liberty is not for the timid.