Feds prosecuting straw buyers

[Kirk Freeman]

I don't want gun laws enforced, I'd like them repealed. Most of them are just bad laws.

Lying on a 4473 shouldn't be a thing because 4473s shouldn't even be required.

It's just more malum prohibitum silliness.

Isn't this more Assisting a Criminal than malam prohibitum?

 

[ATM]

Isn't this more Assisting a Criminal than malam prohibitum?

What crime is there in buying or selling a gun except that we are prohibited from doing so in various instances by various laws?

 

[HoughMade]

Isn't this more Assisting a Criminal than malam prohibitum?

You're not saying that knowingly and willingly providing a gun to a person for criminal purposes like threatening someone or taking their life is malum in se, are you?

Why do you ​hate freedom?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

What crime is there in buying or selling a gun except that we are prohibited from doing so in various instances by various laws?

Various laws? Like Conspiracy to Commit Murder? Assisting a Criminal? Aiding and Abetting Murder?

Yeah, I hate the GCA/SSA as well. And 922(a)(6) without any specific intent is abhorrent. However, individuals knowingly assisting criminals? This is the wrong hill.

If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao . . .

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You're not saying that knowingly and willingly providing a gun to a person for criminal purposes like threatening someone or taking their life is malum in se, are you?

Why do you ​hate freedom?

I hate freedom for many reasons, mostly out of my deep, undying hatred of the Constitution, Motherhood and Ron Paul.

 

[ATM]

I'm talking about gun laws, not conspiring to aid or assist in murder.

If there were laws prohibiting the buying and selling of hammers, I'd want those repealed, too, despite the fact that hammers may also be used to threaten or murder.

This is not a difficult concept. Most gun laws are ridiculous, mere regulatory crimes against the State.

 

[dusty88]

This case shows again that gun laws and background checks don't really work. And not just because someone violated the law to buy a gun. More specifically because those who possess guns illegally are almost never caught until they commit a crime. So prosecute them. The outcome here is no different than if these guys had been able to walk in and buy a gun without a NICS check. They find someone to buy it, or they buy a gun illegally on the street.

You are rarely going to know who is simply "possessing" until they do their dirty deed. The only way around that would be even greater impingements on gun owners with a full registration and tracking (which would obviously be a government abuse)