Feinstein Bill: Gov't Officials Exempt

[TaunTaun]

Feinstein Gun Control Bill to Exempt Government Officials | The Weekly Standard

Still waiting for the official bill to be posted for viewing, but...

It appears that all government officials and law enforcement would be exempt from the ban.


Rough translation: Politicians need to be able to have these guns, but you don't have a good enough reason for it.


Thoughts?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Typical Feinstein. She has a collection of so-called 'assault' weapons that I would give up some body parts to have, and that is before we even get into her NFA toys.

Seriously, anyone who thinks that this is about anything other than a major step toward the new feudalism is seriously deluded. It has nothing to do with crime or conscientiously objecting to weapons, but rather having a problem with the way that possession is presently apportioned--in other words, plebeians should not be in a position to challenge their 'betters'. If I were ever given to offer the benefit of the doubt on this one, a conversation I had with the rat ******* Lugar in 1998 cured me of it. That smug little troll made it abundantly clear that we commoners should be good little serfs and do what our betters tell us, and that anyone who disagreed with him was too stupid to be trusted with his or her rights. Nice little catch 22 there, anyone who would use a right is too stupid to be trusted with it. I have no doubt that he and Dianne are two peas in a pod here.

 

[TaunTaun]

Updated list of banned weapons in a slightly easier format to read:

List of Firearms Prohibited by Name
Rifles: All AK types, including the following:
AK, AK47, AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR-47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK-47, VEPR, WASR-10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS;

All AR types, including the following:
AR-10, AR-15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15-T, Barrett REC7,
Beretta AR-70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R-15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR-15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT-9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU-16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR-48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M-14/20CF;

All Thompson rifles, including the following:
Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1-C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

Pistols: All AK-47 types, including the following:
Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK-47 pistol, HCR AK-47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK-47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK-47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol;

All AR-15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR-15
pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR-15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR-15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP-9 and MP-45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB-10, TEC-22 Scorpion, TEC-9, and TEC-DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol;

The following MAC types: MAC-10, MAC-11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre;

All Thompson types, including the following:
Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5;

All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.

Shotguns: Franchi LAW-12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the
following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP-01,
IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-040 Taktika;
Streetsweeper; Striker 12.

Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

 

[TaunTaun]

Here is the rest of the summary from the proposed bill copied directly from her own website Assault Weapons Ban summary - Assault Weapons - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein:

Assault Weapons Ban of 2013

Mass shootings in Newtown, Aurora, and Tucson have demonstrated all too clearly the need to regulate military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines. These weapons allow a gunman to fire a large number of rounds quickly and without having to reload.
What the bill does:

The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:

• All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
• All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
• All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
• All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
• All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
• 157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this page).

The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

• Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;
• Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
• Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
• Antique weapons.

The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:

• The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.

The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:

• Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.
  • The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.
• Banning dangerous aftermarket modifications and workarounds.
  • Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.
  • So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a workaround to prohibitions on detachable magazines.
  • Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a workaround to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.
• Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
• Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire.

The legislation addresses the millions of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines currently in existence by:

• Requiring a background check on all sales or transfers of a grandfathered assault weapon.
  • This background check can be run through the FBI or, if a state chooses, initiated with a state agency, as with the existing background check system.
• Prohibiting the sale or transfer of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on the date of enactment of the bill.
• Allowing states and localities to use federal Byrne JAG grant funds to conduct a voluntary buy-back program for grandfathered assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
• Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.
• Requiring that assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices manufactured after the date of the bill’s enactment be engraved with the serial number and date of manufacture of the weapon

Assault weapon bans have been proven to be effective

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was effective at reducing crime and getting these military-style weapons off our streets. Since the ban expired, more than 350 people have been killed and more than 450 injured by these weapons.

• A Justice Department study of the assault weapons ban found that it was responsible for a 6.7% decrease in total gun murders, holding all other factors equal.
  • Source: Jeffrey A. Roth & Christopher S. Koper, “Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994,” (March 1997).
• The same study also found that “Assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as victims.”
• The use of assault weapons in crime declined by more than two-thirds by about nine years after 1994 Assault Weapons Ban took effect.
  • Source: Christopher S. Koper, “An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003” (June 2004), University of Pennsylvania, Report to the National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice.
• The percentage of firearms seized by police in Virginia that had high-capacity magazines dropped significantly during the ban. That figure has doubled since the ban expired.
  • Source: David S. Fallis and James V. Grimaldi, “In Virginia, high-yield clip seizures rise,” Washington Post, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/22/AR2011012204046.html
• When Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity magazines in 1994, it led to a 55% drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore Police Department.
  • Source: Douglas S. Weil & Rebecca C. Knox, Letter to the Editor, The Maryland Ban on the Sale of Assault Pistols and High-Capacity Magazines: Estimating the Impact in Baltimore, 87 Am. J. of Public Health 2, Feb. 1997.
• 37% of police departments reported seeing a noticeable increase in criminals’ use of assault weapons since the 1994 federal ban expired.
  • Source: Police Executive Research Forum, Guns and Crime: Breaking New Ground by Focusing on the Local Impact (May 2010).  

 

[TaunTaun]

Here is the list of endorsements, etc, etc of those supporting the bill. Do you belong to one of these groups? Might be time to re-evaluate where your money and time goes:


Endorsements for the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013

Law Enforcement

• International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators
• International Association of Chiefs of Police
• Major Cities Chiefs Association
• Police Executive Research Forum
• Police Foundation
• Women in Federal Law Enforcement
• Chaska (Minn.) Police Chief Scott Knight, former chairman of the Firearms Committee, International Association of Chiefs of Police
• Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca
• Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck
• San Diego Police Chief Bill Lansdowne

Localities

• U.S. Conference of Mayors
• Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors
• Ventura County Board of Supervisors
• Oakland Unified School District Superintendent Anthony Smith
• Boston City Council

California mayors

• Chula Vista Mayor Cheryl Cox
• Long Beach Mayor Bob Foster
• Los Angeles Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa
• Oakland Mayor Jean Quan
• Petaluma Mayor David Glass
• Pleasant Hill Mayor Michael Harris
• Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson
• San Diego Mayor Bob Filner
• San Francisco Mayor Edwin M. Lee
• San Jose Mayor Chuck Reed
• Santa Ana Mayor Miguel Pulido
• Santa Cruz Mayor Hilary Bryant
• Saratoga Mayor Jill Hunter
• Tiburon Mayor Emmett O’Donnell

California cities

• Calabasas, Calif.
• Lemon Grove, Calif.
• Los Angeles
• Stockton, Calif.
• Ventura, Calif.
• West Hollywood, Calif.

Gun safety

• Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
• Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
• Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
• Mayors Against Illegal Guns
• Violence Policy Center
• Washington CeaseFire

Education and child welfare

• 20 Children
• American Academy of Pediatrics
• American Federation of Teachers
• Boys & Girls Clubs of America
• Child Welfare League of America
• Children’s Defense Fund
• Every Child Matters
• Moms Rising
• National Association of Social Workers
• National PTA
• National Education Association
• San Diego Unified School District

Religious

• African Methodist Episcopal Church
• Alliance of Baptists
• American Baptist Churches of the South
• American Baptist Home Mission Societies
• American Friends Service Committee
• Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America
• Camp Brotherhood
• Catholic Charities USA
• Catholic Health Association
• Catholic Health Initiatives
• Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good
• Catholics United
• Church of the Brethren
• Church Women United, Inc.
• Conference of Major Superiors of Men
• Disciples Home Missions, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
• Dominican Sisters of Peace
• FaithsAgainstGunViolence.org
• Franciscan Action Network
• Friends Committee on National Legislation
• Health Ministries Association
• Heeding God’s Call
• Hindu American Foundation
• Interfaith Alliance of Idaho
• Islamic Society of North America
• Jewish Council for Public Affairs
• Jewish Reconstructionist Movement
• Leadership Conference of Women Religious
• Mennonite Central Committee, Washington Office
• National Advocacy Center of the Sisters of the Good Shepherd
• National Council of Churches
• National Episcopal Health Ministries
• NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
• Pax Christi USA
• PICO Network Lifelines to Healing
• Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) Office of Public Witness
• Progressive National Baptist Convention
• Rabbinical Assembly
• Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism
• San Francisco Interfaith Council
• Sikh Council on Religion and Education, USA
• Sisters of Mercy of the Americas
• Sojourners
• Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
• United Church of Christ
• United Methodist Church
• United Methodist Women
• United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development
• United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
• Washington National Cathedral
• Women of Reform Judaism

Health care

• American Academy of Pediatrics
• American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
• American College of Surgeons
• American Public Health Association
• Doctors for America
• National Association of School Nurses

Other

• Alliance for Business Leadership
• American Bar Association
• Black American Political Association of California
• Grandmothers for Peace International
• National Parks Conservation Association
• Sierra Club
• TASH
• Washington Office on Latin America

Cosponsors of the bill are as follows:

Senators
Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)
Dick Durbin (D-Ill.)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.)
Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)
Carl Levin (D-Mich.)
John Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.)
Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.)
Jack Reed (D-R.I.)
Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
Robert Menendez (D-N.J.)
Ben Cardin (D-Md.)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.)
Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii)
Chris Murphy (D-Conn.)
Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)

 

[hondatech2k2]

She can rot in hell.

 

[TaunTaun]

The bill has not been formally introduced to the Senate. As such it does not have a bill number and has not been released to the public. Yet.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Surprised by the Boys Club, but not so much by Sierra.

Once wrote a paper to Sierra in response to their call for papers on the subject "Why I Hunt". They sent me a hat. Assumed I didn't win. lol.

 

[japartridge]

• All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

Wait, wouldn't that make the pistol an SBR anyway? and come on, a threaded barrel? WTH does that have to do with anything, Christ she is insane, and completely illogical! Of course since is is a Liberal Cali. her being illogical is a given...

 

[japartridge]

The bill has not been formally introduced to the Senate. As such it does not have a bill number and has not been released to the public. Yet.

This cannot turn into another "It has to be passed to see what's in it" fiasco!

 

[TaunTaun]

Wait, wouldn't that make the pistol an SBR anyway? and come on, a threaded barrel? WTH does that have to do with anything, Christ she is insane, and completely illogical! Of course since is is a Liberal Cali. her being illogical is a given...

My wife's bug is a Walther P22. It has the threaded barrel for a silencer attachment. Came with it stock. Now I can tell the wife that her bug is a NFA item, but her carry weapon (Kahr PM40) is not....

 

[Mark 1911]

They need to disarm themselves first. That's not going to happen, and even if it did, the American people will NEVER disarm. Too bad its come down to "them" and "us", the "politicians" and the "American people". Too bad the politicians are fighting the American people, and too bad that so many politicians do not deserve the name "American", but are in fact traitors to their own country and their own people.

Don't think they were expecting the resistance to this bill to be so strong. Don't think they were expecting to see themselves as the world record firearms salesmen in history. Americans simply are not going to accept this from them, NOT EVER!! I believe this is will turn out to be a huge political defeat for them, they're even going to lose a lot of Democrats who also happen to be gun enthusiasts.

 

[YoungGunLover]

So if I read the pistol section correctly, wouldn't Glocks be banned because of the G18? It says any semi automatic version of an automatic pistol, so wouldn't the G18 ruin that for all the other Glocks?

 

[schafe]

........... they're even going to lose a lot of Democrats who also happen to be gun enthusiasts.

This fact has been a source of encouragement for me during this most recent "assault" (pardon the pun) on the 2nd. Ammendment. There are plenty of Democrat NRA members.
Weapons and second ammendment enthusiasm spans all demographics.

 

[ghuns]

The legislation protects hunting and sporting firearms:
The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by specific make and model.

Since when did any firearm have to have a legitimate hunting or sporting use? To define what we can and can't have by this standard seems to me to asking to have it struck down by the Supreme Court. At least the Court as made up today.

 

[2ndAmendmentdefender]

The elitist rulers always exempt themselves from major laws! Social Security, Obama Care, and Gun Control..... this is just 3 off my head!

 

[Redtbird]

Quote: "... handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds..." End Quote

What handgun/pistol has a fixed magazine? Never heard of it before.

My Bersas have 7-round magazine that must be removed to reload. Is this a "detachable magazine?

Thanks for the info!

 

[Double T]

So if I read the pistol section correctly, wouldn't Glocks be banned because of the G18? It says any semi automatic version of an automatic pistol, so wouldn't the G18 ruin that for all the other Glocks?

not really, as the g17 came first.

 

[2ndAmendmentdefender]

gunsoutlawed by DaFool_729, on Flickr

Big Questions:

Why do the socialists want to disarm the peasants, yet exempt themselves from those same laws.

In what regard do the socialists hold the American People and the ruling document called the Constitution?

What is the socialist's real agenda?

 

[jgreiner]

Feinstein Gun Control Bill to Exempt Government Officials | The Weekly Standard

Still waiting for the official bill to be posted for viewing, but...

It appears that all government officials and law enforcement would be exempt from the ban.


Rough translation: Politicians need to be able to have these guns, but you don't have a good enough reason for it.


Thoughts?

It is time that our Congressmen and President start living by the same rules that we live by. They should:

1. Get all their medical treatment from the VA
2. No private schools for their kids.
3. No armed protection for them in DC, NY, IL since citizens there can not carry a gun to protect themselves.
4. No insider trading.
5. TERM LIMITS. Politics should NOT be a career. It should be SERVICE.