Force on Force class in Indiana?

[irishfan]

I was wondering if anyone will be doing any force on force classes in Indiana in the next couple months? I have never done one but several people have said it was a very eye opening class for them. All info is appreciated

 

[Que]

Check out Shay with Mindset Labs. He runs an outstanding course. You can find him in the INGO advertisers section.

 

[Glock]

Yes I highly recommend Mindset labs aswell. The training I received with them is fantastic. They have a simulated town built that you get to train in.

 

[lawrra]

Shay knows force on force, and teaches it well. Live fire training can only prepare you for so much; force on force picks up where it leaves off. There's an Intro to Force on Force on Dec. 1st.

Mindset Lab | Real Training + Real Testing

 

[Shay]

December 1st.

In Intro to Force on Force you will learn better Mindset, tactics and techniques to keep you safer before, during and after the fight.

I run small class sizes and the training is a mix of group and individual exercises. I teach, we practice and then we test what you think you know.

 

[WETSU]

Irish, get into Shay's class. It will forever change how you view carrying a gun and using it to defend yourself and others. It is a starting point, for a lifelong, higher level pursuit of gunfighting excellence.

Shay is one of the best.

 

[esrice]

Don't do it.

FoF is a path to rethinking your prior training, questioning your reasoning for carrying a gun, and potentially failing to perform well in front of yourself and others.

But, just in case you're into that sorta thing, here is a preview of what Mindset Laboratory has to offer.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...d_dynamic_fof_scenarios_feb_18_19_2012_a.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...light_force_on_force_scenarios_4_22_12_a.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...hicle_force_on_force_scenarios_5_20_12_a.html

 

[irishfan]

That looks like the class for me. I appreciate all the positive info here for this class.

 

[Johnson]

Mindset Labs (Shay) offers an outstanding Force on Force course. I was very skeptical when I took Intro to Force on Force, but it really opened my eyes to what I was missing in my "training". I've taken a few training classes from other places (Tactical Response, etc) and I rate Mindset Labs and Shay at the top.

 

[irishfan]

I'm on the way to work now and can't sign up but in the morning I will be signing up for the December 1st class. I am excited to take this

 

[Randy Harris]

MIke Swisher (Cedar Top) and I had discussed offering a Suarez Int FOF class in Indiana sometime in 2013 if anyone is interested.

 

[amhenry]

One more recommendation for Shay and Mindset Labs. He runs a great class, teaches clearly, and then puts you under comprehensive stress.

I'm still chewing on the things I learned at his Intro to FOF class.

 

[Bruenor]

I'm still chewing on the things I learned at his Intro to FOF class.

Yeah, me too. I've gone back over my notes a couple of times, and am still learning from the class.

 

[rhino]

MIke Swisher (Cedar Top) and I had discussed offering a Suarez Int FOF class in Indiana sometime in 2013 if anyone is interested.

An excellent idea, sir.

 

[NIFT]

Don't do it.

FoF is a path to rethinking your prior training, questioning your reasoning for carrying a gun, and potentially failing to perform well in front of yourself and others.

Those are three very strong claims for a negative flat assertion ("Don't do it.") but are only opinions without support. Care to elaborate and support those claims with credible reasoning and-or evidence?

 

[derrickgoins]

I believe there is a shade of sarcasm in esrice's first comment. He's been a huge advocate of Shay and the training from Mindset Labs and has also posted very detailed reviews on INGO. Obviously, I can't speak directly for him but I don't believe he launched that post as a negative remark against FOF training. It was probably meant to be more of a "it'll be an eye-opener" type remark.

Those are three very strong claims for a negative flat assertion ("Don't do it.") but are only opinions without support. Care to elaborate and support those claims with credible reasoning and-or evidence?

 

[Shay]

NIFT - esrice was almost certainly being sarcastic. He's pointing out that you may not perform as expected in scenario-based training. Students who train with me will learn a lot, but the most important lessons they will learn are about themselves.

I don't teach live fire classes any more. I focus on Force on Force and combatives because I believe that those areas give a student better usable defense skills in a shorter time frame. And it's important to teach Mindset in context and under stress.

 

[esrice]

Care to elaborate and support those claims with credible reasoning and-or evidence?

I believe there is a shade of sarcasm in esrice's first comment. He's been a huge advocate of Shay and the training from Mindset Labs and has also posted very detailed reviews on INGO. Obviously, I can't speak directly for him but I don't believe he launched that post as a negative remark against FOF training. It was probably meant to be more of a "it'll be an eye-opener" type remark.

NIFT - esrice was almost certainly being sarcastic. He's pointing out that you may not perform as expected in scenario-based training. Students who train with me will learn a lot, but the most important lessons they will learn are about themselves.

I don't teach live fire classes any more. I focus on Force on Force and combatives because I believe that those areas give a student better usable defense skills in a shorter time frame. And it's important to teach Mindset in context and under stress.

Bob,

These guys are correct in that I was being sarcastic with my "Don't do it" line. Read it as "Don't do it, because if you do you'll be hooked!"

The other 3 statements that followed are based on my own personal experiences with FoF training. I rethought, I questioned, I failed.

If you look at the links I posted you'll find that I'm a big fan of FoF and have shared my own experiences with INGOers. I would encourage everyone who carries a gun for self protection to put what they've learned to the test in scenario-based force-on-force.

 

[NIFT]

Bob,

These guys are correct in that I was being sarcastic with my "Don't do it" line. Read it as "Don't do it, because if you do you'll be hooked!"

The other 3 statements that followed are based on my own personal experiences with FoF training. I rethought, I questioned, I failed.

If you look at the links I posted you'll find that I'm a big fan of FoF and have shared my own experiences with INGOers. I would encourage everyone who carries a gun for self protection to put what they've learned to the test in scenario-based force-on-force.

Sorry about that! I thought you were serious!

 

[esrice]

I thought you were serious!

Rarely.