German police exposed: played a key role in Nazi Halocaust.

[E5RANGER375]

Somebody's spoiling for a fight today.

no im just trying to make a point that just because someones a cop doesnt mean im gonna blindly trust them. i edited my post to reflect that. and trust me, i had no issue with what was going on back then, i was living the life. just like i wouldnt tell his name.

 

[awatarius]

no im just trying to make a point that just because someones a cop doesnt mean im gonna blindly trust them. i edited my post to reflect that. and trust me, i had no issue with what was going on back then, i was living the life. just like i wouldnt tell his name.

Hello,

There are a few types of Police officers out there. The kind that do it to serve, and the kind that do it for other reasons (such as power, or sense of being a man). However all of them have a tough job to do, and many risk life and limb everyday to serve. My default position is one of huge respect. As it should be. They have to prove they are not respectable to lose that respect. Police Officers are essential, and a I for one am glad they are on here. When I see a solider in uniform I thank them for serving, and it should be the same way for officers.

Thanks,
Matthew

 

[OneBadV8]

Its pretty disturbing that these guys went right back to work after the war ended.


Also, please check your math on the 80+ years.

78 Years isn't close enough? I'd say it was a good rough estimate

 

[dom1104]

Hello,

There are a few types of Police officers out there. The kind that do it to serve, and the kind that do it for other reasons (such as power, or sense of being a man). However all of them have a tough job to do, and many risk life and limb everyday to serve. My default position is one of huge respect. As it should be. They have to prove they are not respectable to lose that respect. Police Officers are essential, and a I for one am glad they are on here. When I see a solider in uniform I thank them for serving, and it should be the same way for officers.

Thanks,
Matthew

This guy gets it. "Default Position" is a good term.

Default Position List.

Policeman - respect
Car Salesman - disrespect
Soldier - respect
Insurance Salesman - disrespect
Doctor - respect
Herbal Healer - disrespect


Now there may be some honest car dealers, and some dishonest doctors, but the idea of a "Default Position" is a good one.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Hello,

There are a few types of Police officers out there. The kind that do it to serve, and the kind that do it for other reasons (such as power, or sense of being a man). However all of them have a tough job to do, and many risk life and limb everyday to serve. My default position is one of huge respect. As it should be. They have to prove they are not respectable to lose that respect. Police Officers are essential, and a I for one am glad they are on here. When I see a solider in uniform I thank them for serving, and it should be the same way for officers.

Thanks,
Matthew

police and soldiers are 2 totally different levels of service in my opinion. theres bad soldiers just like theres bad cops, but cops directly have authority to take your freedom away and soldiers do not under the constitution. so thats why bad cops scare me a lot more than bad soldiers. i dont even know why you tried to throw the soldier bit in here. police DO NOT keep you free. they enforce laws and sometimes keep you safe. Soldiers keep you free. its not their job to police or play nice. believe me you wouldnt want soldiers on the street, no one would like it I dont care how much you love soldiers now. the general tone of police in this country is turning militaristic (a police state), and thats why we are seeing so many problems related to law enforcement. its heading down the exact road this govt wants it to head down. pretty soon you will not be able to discern between federal and local law enforcement, and already cant now except for uniforms. that is a police state. remember what happened in germany! (take race out of it) im just talking about how the govt took control over EVERYTHING!

i think some people forget that we citizens are the ones who deserve the respect up front without earning it. it can be taken away AFTER THE FACT due to bad attitudes, or breaking the law, but it should always be shown by our public servants from the get go.


and im not saying ALL cops are bad, but they are all part of the system and some already realize their true duty is to the constitution and the people, and many of those will refuse the orders that WILL come later. but also many will not and will follow any order.

I support rule of law. I do not blindly support all law enforcement officers. I support the ones who have earned my trust and respect by serving the community impartially and professionally, and within the law at all times.

 

[rambone]

78 Years isn't close enough? I'd say it was a good rough estimate

I demand accuracy in our threads!

 

[OneBadV8]

I demand accuracy in our threads!

 

[Phil502]

Sometimes I think the lesson of the Nazi era has been completely missed by most people. We have relegated the Nazis to some kind of semi-demon status that has no relation to us. We've turned them into zombies or some other kind of creature and the only lesson we get out of it is that maybe we have to fight some foreign evil again, like we did against the Nazis.

The real lesson we should get is that the Nazis were just people. Regular people who got caught up in an ideology, who followed rules over what they should have known to be right, who went along because everyone else did.

Another lesson we should get out of it is that the attempt to shake off moral responsibility because a thing has been made into a law is not acceptable.

Yet another lesson we should get, if we watch what occurred in the occupied countries, is that all the officials, politicians, cops even the dogcatchers, stayed in the their places and helped the Nazi occupiers administrate their occupation.

The most important lesson we should have gotten from the Nazis is that it can happen here.

Not only ideology either. Very poor economic conditions following the end of WW1 and the treaty of Versailles. I don't think we'll ever outgrow the possibility of it all happening again.

 

[misconfig]

I demand accuracy in our threads!

I say 82 years, the German Worker's party started in 1919 but they didn't really take *STEAM* until 1929 - therefore I said 82 years. I'd say that's a pretty good estimation.

 

[misconfig]

This guy gets it. "Default Position" is a good term.

Default Position List.

Policeman - respect
Car Salesman - disrespect
Soldier - respect
Insurance Salesman - disrespect
Doctor - respect
Herbal Healer - disrespect


Now there may be some honest car dealers, and some dishonest doctors, but the idea of a "Default Position" is a good one.

That default position ideology is F*****, man. No thanks to that..

 

[awatarius]

That default position ideology is F*****, man. No thanks to that..

LOL,
In your mind maybe but it simply "IS". Is a simple matter of personal judgement. When you see someone in a Nazi uniform what comes to mind? When I see someone in a cop uniform the thing that comes to mind is "thank you for serving". If you see a cop and the default position is "I wonder what this dirty fella did" and before you trust him he has to save your life or something, that would be your DEFAULT position (might I add its a sad life if you go around not trusting everyone right off).

I don't know that police and soldiers are on a different level. In some ways yes, in some no. They both serve citizens with risk of life. In that manner they are the same. For that they have my trust, until they become untrustworthy.

Thanks,
Matthew

 

[misconfig]

LOL,
In your mind maybe but it simply "IS". Is a simple matter of personal judgement. When you see someone in a Nazi uniform what comes to mind? When I see someone in a cop uniform the thing that comes to mind is "thank you for serving". If you see a cop and the default position is "I wonder what this dirty fella did" and before you trust him he has to save your life or something, that would be your DEFAULT position (might I add its a sad life if you go around not trusting everyone right off).

I don't know that police and soldiers are on a different level. In some ways yes, in some no. They both serve citizens with risk of life. In that manner they are the same. For that they have my trust, until they become untrustworthy.

Thanks,
Matthew

When I see someone in a Nazi uniform I think "Wow, they're part of a well-oiled machine."

When I see a cop, I think "Oh ****.... does he know I'm stoned! He's going to take me to jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

 

[E5RANGER375]

LOL,
In your mind maybe but it simply "IS". Is a simple matter of personal judgement. When you see someone in a Nazi uniform what comes to mind? When I see someone in a cop uniform the thing that comes to mind is "thank you for serving". If you see a cop and the default position is "I wonder what this dirty fella did" and before you trust him he has to save your life or something, that would be your DEFAULT position (might I add its a sad life if you go around not trusting everyone right off).

I don't know that police and soldiers are on a different level. In some ways yes, in some no. They both serve citizens with risk of life. In that manner they are the same. For that they have my trust, until they become untrustworthy.

Thanks,
Matthew

i have some ocean front property to sell you in arizona

 

[lashicoN]

Seriously, the anti-cop tone in this section of the forums is getting a little.....

extreme.

What exactly are you saying? You're sick of hearing bad news? I'm sure everyone else loves hearing stories like these. They really put some good old warmth in your heart.

Dross is right, this can happen here, or anywhere where humans are. That's why we talk about it, instead of discarding it because we know some police officers and live in a delusion where something like that could never happen here. I'm sure Germany thought the same thing, and I'm sure there were a lot of Dom's around that time, complaining about the rumors that honorable German police would help imprison and murder innocent people. Guess what, Dom. It happened.

 

[awatarius]

i have some ocean front property to sell you in arizona

LOL OH!! I was hoping for some prime property in North Central Montanna... Damn

 

[CarmelHP]

How is this news? Maybe in Germany it is. It is well know the green (civil) police were incorporated into the Gestapo apparatus under Himmler. There's a fair number of U.S. movies that depict green police doing searches for Jews or POWs. It wasn't only ordinary Germans that went along with such things either. Look at the Stalinist purges, Mao's Great Leap Forward, Pol Pot, the French Revolution's Reign of Terror. Socialists have been doing this for a long time.

 

[Hkindiana]

Didn't it kind of happen here already with the Japanese internment camps during WWII? You had US citizens imprisoned simply because of their heritage. Were not their guards overstepping the constitutional boundaries?

 

[rambone]

Didn't it kind of happen here already with the Japanese internment camps during WWII? You had US citizens imprisoned simply because of their heritage. Were not their guards overstepping the constitutional boundaries?

As a matter of fact, it did. Tens of thousands of American citizens were rounded up from their homes by peace officers and U.S. soldiers, stuffed into train cars, and shipped off to concentration camps. Families were torn apart, people lost their homes, businesses, jobs, livelihoods, property, civil rights, freedom, and years of their lives. They were forced to live in prison communes in unsanitary conditions. Those who tried to escape were shot dead.

It all can happen here. Again.

And the scary part is that, in my opinion, the mentality of the average person today is more statist than it was in 1941. The government is far more vast and powerful today. Today, the government's agents are completely used to intruding in people's lives and searching people needlessly, with the War on Drugs and countless other Nanny State laws. Not to mention all of the rights-shredding laws and Executive Orders that are on the books today, regarding 'emergency' procedures to be used in the right situation. We are a crisis away from serious tyranny.

 

[E5RANGER375]

As a matter of fact, it did. Tens of thousands of American citizens were rounded up from their homes by peace officers and U.S. soldiers, stuffed into train cars, and shipped off to concentration camps. Families were torn apart, people lost their homes, businesses, jobs, livelihoods, property, civil rights, freedom, and years of their lives. They were forced to live in prison communes in unsanitary conditions. Those who tried to escape were shot dead.

It all can happen here. Again.

And the scary part is that, in my opinion, the mentality of the average person today is more statist than it was in 1941. The government is far more vast and powerful today. Today, the government's agents are completely used to intruding in people's lives and searching people needlessly, with the War on Drugs and countless other Nanny State laws. Not to mention all of the rights-shredding laws and Executive Orders that are on the books today, regarding 'emergency' procedures to be used in the right situation. We are a crisis away from serious tyranny.

i agree with your whole post but especially the last sentence. its rep worthy but i can rep you again so soon.

 

[88GT]

We are a crisis away from serious tyranny.

I agree, you know I do. But it gave me a chuckle to read that. Reminded me of those silly survey questions.

Would you say that the current level of tyranny in the United States is
A. Minimal/non-existent
B. Moderate/mildly annoying
C. Serious
D. Despotic/destructive to your way of life
E. Come-to-Jesus time