Gov-mandated price increase for cars

[rambone]

Where do you have to do emissions testing?

Driving is a lost artform in this country. Why do you NEED a backup camera?

They have it here in Porter County. I don't know where else. I've had to sell vehicles that ran fine but weren't up to their standards.

Seriously, I can not give it a big enough thumbs down.

 

[machete]

Yeah, that's all they showed on the news.

Did the driver check behind the truck before getting in?
Where are the parents of that kid?
Why is he playing in a parking lot?

not only that,,,but how are those two PT cruisers going to get out???

 

[eldirector]

not only that,,,but how are those two PT cruisers going to get out???

I guess they'll have to back up?

 

[gunowner930]

They have it here in Porter County. I don't know where else. I've had to sell vehicles that ran fine but weren't up to their standards.

Seriously, I can not give it a big enough thumbs down.

Wow that really sucks. I didn't know they had emissions testing in IN

 

[Pocketman]

I remember when we first got "idiot lights."

I remember when gasoline was made by some lady named Ethel. (And it contained lead!)

I remember when we first got padded dashboards.

I remember when we first got seat belts.

I remember when we first got car seats.

I do not remember having a bicycle helmet.

It's a wonder my sisters and I survived our childhoods.

While I can see some merit to the above listed items, rearview TV is a bit much.

 

[Regionnus Rattis]

Where do you have to do emissions testing?

Driving is a lost artform in this country. Why do you NEED a backup camera?

Lake and Porter counties in NW Indiana and the two counties in SW Indiana (Evansville region) require emissions testing.

Sorry ass bureaucrats

 

[ATOMonkey]

It'll end up being one more piece of safety equipment that people will either ignore, bypass, or misuse.

I guarantee it does nothing to reduce accidents.

 

[hornadylnl]

Eldirector, apparently the point of this is lost on you. I and several others have bludgeoned our fingertips to death pointing out over reaching government in the Madison county thread and you still support it.

Nanny government doesn't work cafeteria style where you pick what regulations and portion sizes you'd like. Nanny is going to give you a heaping portion of everything and stand over you with there guns ensuring you eat every last morsel of every bitter portion.

A government big enough to tell you what color to paint your house is a government big enough to mandate cameras in your car. What's more important to you? True liberty or the few perceived benefits you get from the regulations you like?

 

[Paco Bedejo]

We could enforce costly reverse cameras which will end up being just 1 more distraction to drivers & one more area people won't clear the snow from...or we could let the ascareded bleeding hearts build a fund from which they can provide free Amazon.com: Dream Baby Reverse Alert: Baby to everyone who would like one, much like free pistol locks are given out...

 

[eldirector]

Eldirector, apparently the point of this is lost on you. I and several others have bludgeoned our fingertips to death pointing out over reaching government in the Madison county thread and you still support it.

Nanny government doesn't work cafeteria style where you pick what regulations and portion sizes you'd like. Nanny is going to give you a heaping portion of everything and stand over you with there guns ensuring you eat every last morsel of every bitter portion.

A government big enough to tell you what color to paint your house is a government big enough to mandate cameras in your car. What's more important to you? True liberty or the few perceived benefits you get from the regulations you like?

Sounds like I got under your skin? What type of government would you like? Are you advocating for NO government (Anarchy)?

In that other thread, you keep preaching "no laws, no laws! Liberty ONLY!". Yet, you DO want some laws (you actually said "repeal 90%" - that would leave us with 10%), and you want your rights protected. I ask you: how will your rights be protected? What guarantees do you have? When your rights are violated, who will stand up for you?

I think you misinterpret my my belief in a "nation of laws" as somehow supporting the bloated bureaucracy that we have become. You could not be farther from the truth. Sure, it is a slippery slope, and we are sliding pretty far, but there MUST be a balance somewhere.

I just don't see things as black or white, liberty or tyranny. I'm willing to work on a sliding scale, if it means "justice be established, public order maintained, and liberty perpetuated" (to quote our IN Constitution). I HAVE to believe we can be free men, and men of law, at the same time.

 

[hornadylnl]

Sounds like I got under your skin? What type of government would you like? Are you advocating for NO government (Anarchy)?

In that other thread, you keep preaching "no laws, no laws! Liberty ONLY!". Yet, you DO want some laws (you actually said "repeal 90%" - that would leave us with 10%), and you want your rights protected. I ask you: how will your rights be protected? What guarantees do you have? When your rights are violated, who will stand up for you?

I think you misinterpret my my belief in a "nation of laws" as somehow supporting the bloated bureaucracy that we have become. You could not be farther from the truth. Sure, it is a slippery slope, and we are sliding pretty far, but there MUST be a balance somewhere.

I just don't see things as black or white, liberty or tyranny. I'm willing to work on a sliding scale, if it means "justice be established, public order maintained, and liberty perpetuated" (to quote our IN Constitution). I HAVE to believe we can be free men, and men of law, at the same time.

I said 90% should be repealed as 10% might actually deal with property rights. You enforce laws by protecting property rights. If you have chemicals, pets, whatever that infringe on my property, then you have violated my rights. If you park a camper on your property and choose to live in it, you have not violated my rights.

If you punch me in the nose, you have violated my property rights. My nose is my property. You damage my car in an accident that was your fault, you have damaged my property.

Instead, we have zoning laws that treat the responsible person as criminals and treats the douches like victims. I can be charged with a felony if your dog is on my property and I shoot it. I have to prove that the dog was a danger to me. About the only proof of that is an actual bite and hope that doesn't turn into a mauling. Just ask Liberty Sanders and the Carmel PD if you don't believe me.

I'm not an anarchist by any stretch of the imagination. Your rights end when they start to infringe on mine. What's so hard about that? What crimes can't be covered by enforcing property rights? Rape? Murder? That's a violation of a person's property, their bodies.

It's the same argument that the stadium socialists use on here. They like the benefits of it so they justify it. We get the "it's already built so we can't change it now" answer. How many of those same people will complain about obamacare? It's already passed so we can't change it now, right?

Again, I'll ask. Do you want liberty or do you want a government that has the ability to infringe on every aspect of your life? Are the few benefits of the nanny state worth more to you than liberty and personal responsibility?

BTW, you didn't get under my skin. I've become accustomed to this attitude over the last few years. This is why I say our country is lost. People don't want true liberty any more. Who is John Galt?

 

[right winger]

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Ronald Reagan

 

[ocsdor]

Solution: Don't buy new cars. Mine is 25 years old (or, atleast what little is left that I haven't had to replace).