Greenwood mall shooting

[thompal]

I've seen several stories saying the shooter had no drugs in his system but a lot of nicotine and caffeine, so he was all jacked up on Mt Dew or Starbucks and a smoker? Thank goodness they found out, now maybe we can have common sense Starbucks control.

Obviously that is incorrect information. He was only 20. Everybody knows it's illegal for a 20 year old to buy cigarettes.

 

[wcd]

Coroners do not rule on justified or not. They merely say it was homicide.

Indeed

 

[bgcatty]

Who cares about the bad guy’s system or how he was feeling? The only thing that matters is that he was put down like a rabid animal. And by a good guy with a gun no less!

 

[chipbennett]

I'm reading that the coroner has ruled the shooting a homicide Maybe some of the legal minds here can expound on what potential problems this might cause for the defender? Info on WTHR website but the article states AGAIN that he didn't have a permit and we know that is bogus..

I'm sure this has been answered already (I'm still catching up), but: "homicide" is the correct ruling. It simply means "killed by another person", which is a true statement. It only indicates the manner of death, and says nothing about the legality of the action that caused the death.

 

[chipbennett]

I believe they phrase it as excusable homicide.
sometimes the excusable gets dropped depending on whom is doing the story.

IANAL and also not a doctor, but I don't believe the coroner/ME makes determinations regarding excusability of actions that result in the death of the decedent?

 

[chipbennett]

Justifiable homicide.

Whether the actions that resulted in the homicide were justifiable or not is a legal matter, not a medical matter. The coroner merely determines the manner of death, which is homicide - sans adjectives.

 

[qwerty]

Whether the actions that resulted in the homicide were justifiable or not is a legal matter, not a medical matter. The coroner merely determines the manner of death, which is homicide - sans adjectives.

If people would read the thread thread, I was clarifying the post above mine where the poster was trying to think of the term and said "excusable" homicide, I was simply providing the verbage he was looking for.

Let's not overthink this.

 

[cosermann]

Has anyone seen an official update on the distance at which the shots were fired? I'm aware of the 40-ish yards that has been reported, but also suspect it was more on the order of 25-ish yds.

 

[nonobaddog]

If people would read the thread thread,

^^^^^ THIS.
People - read a little before getting all redundant.

 

[chipbennett]

If people would read the thread thread, I was clarifying the post above mine where the poster was trying to think of the term and said "excusable" homicide, I was simply providing the verbage he was looking for.

Let's not overthink this.

Depending on the state and applicable statutory definitions, excusable and justifiable are applicable, distinct terms for types of homicide. It appears that Indiana has such distinctions. I used to watch/read a lot of Mas Ayoob, which is how I first learned of the distinction between the two terms.

Killing due to use of force in self-defense falls squarely under justifiable homicide.

 

[chipbennett]

^^^^^ THIS.
People - read a little before getting all redundant.

I read read the thread thread.

 

[Bigtanker]

Has anyone seen an official update on the distance at which the shots were fired? I'm aware of the 40-ish yards that has been reported, but also suspect it was more on the order of 25-ish yds.

Per Guy Relford, he quoted the police chief saying it was 43 yards and said it was correct. Here is an interview with Guy that was on a national radio show.

(He also states that the Dicken Drill that folks are now doing will need a little tweaking once all is known. So it could be the first few shots were from 43 yards but then Mr. Dicken moved closer for follow-up shots).

 

[nonobaddog]

I read read the thread thread.

It doesn't show.

 

[nipprdog]

but also suspect it was more on the order of 25-ish yds.

Based on what?

 

[chipbennett]

It doesn't show.

And just to be extra-redundant:

 

[nonobaddog]

Has anyone seen an official update on the distance at which the shots were fired? I'm aware of the 40-ish yards that has been reported, but also suspect it was more on the order of 25-ish yds.

There were several distances mentioned as well as statements saying he moved closer for some shots.

https://fox59.com/greenwood-park-ma...-greenwood-park-mall-shooting-within-seconds/

"Armed only with a handgun, police say Dicken engaged the shooter from a distance of perhaps 30 yards. Police say he was very proficient and tactically sound.
Dicken started making his way towards the gunman, motioning for people to leave behind him. The gunman tried to retreat back into the restroom, but Dicken continued on, shooting the suspect until he fell."

 

[Cameramonkey]

Based on shot placement descriptions, it sounds to me like he shot center mass first, and winged him (as expected from that range, no disrespect) utterly smashing the loser's OODA loop. As he moved closer shot placement naturally improved and he put that animal down.
Too bad they didnt just throw him out back in the dumpster like a dead possum.

 

[ghuns]

...Killing due to use of force in self-defense falls squarely under justifiable homicide.

Sooooooo... Like when Bubba shot the jukebox?

Got it.

 

[cosermann]

Based on what?

Saw a post from a credible source on preliminary crime lab measurement.

 

[cosermann]

Per Guy Relford, he quoted the police chief saying it was 43 yards and said it was correct. Here is an interview with Guy that was on a national radio show.

Thanks BT! Hadn't heard the interview with Guy.

(As the fight developed, the distance could have changed - maybe explaining some differences in distance I've heard. Hmm.)