Guerena Autopsy released

[2A_Tom]

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_be284f91-ed84-5723-9bb6-682c1300ecbc.html


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[mrjarrell]

Maybe you haven't read the FAQ yet, but quoting stories is a violation of the FAQ. Didn't used to be, but with RightHaven going after people who do we're better safe than sorry. Just post the link.

 

[lashicoN]

The 26-year-old man shot and killed by a SWAT team during a raid last month was struck 22 times, and a toxicology exam showed there were no traces of drugs in his blood at the time of death, according to an autopsy report released Monday.

SWAT officers fired 71 rounds at Jose Guerena from the doorway of his home while serving a search warrant the morning of May 5, officials from Pima County Sheriff's Department have said. Fewer than a third of those shots hit Guerena, leaving 49 rounds passing through walls and some hitting nearby homes, according to reports released by the department last week.

Don't just read the story. Think about the words. 61 out of 70 shots landed. They obviously had sight alignment. This was not a split second type shoot. You would see something like 15/70. Chances are Guerena had the rifle on his person and was neutralized when he pointed it.

Absolutely. I only stated it was probable. Typically when I kill is unjustified accuracy is poor. When a kill is justified accuracy is greater.

Let him bleed out? You think he died a slow painful death after being shot 60 times? I guess the could have called the entire cast of greys anatomy, house, dr. Quinn.

So, Keyser, now that we have an update on shot placement, do you believe this is an unjustified shoot?

 

[E5RANGER375]

I tell you what if i was one of his neighbors that got stray bullets impacting my house I wouldnt be happy and neither would the people doing the shooting. this whole thing is just more and more reckless and irresponsible on behalf of the police the more we learn. everyone of them that fired should be locked in prison! but they will probly get a medal

 

[jeremy]

So the almost 70% miss rate blows another Keysor myth out of the water huh...

 

[Benny]

So, Keyser, now that we have an update on shot placement, do you believe this is an unjustified shoot?

Somehow it's going to be even more justified.

 

[KG1]

So the almost 70% miss rate blows another Keysor myth out of the water huh...

Oh that theory was a classic...I still get a chuckle out of that one when I think back on all the memorable moments.

 

[mrjarrell]

Somehow it's going to be even more justified.

It's obvious. They were actually trying to save his life and inflict only non-life threatening wounds on him. The shots that resulted in his death were tragic misses. They were just trying to shoot the rifle out of his hands.

 

[iwearcowboyboots]

So the almost 70% miss rate blows another Keysor myth out of the water huh...

Not fair. If that last dude didn't run up at the end and throw his pistol ammo over everyone else's head, it would have been closer to 50%.

 

[Bunnykid68]

It's obvious. They were actually trying to save his life and inflict only non-life threatening wounds on him. The shots that resulted in his death were tragic misses. They were just trying to shoot the rifle out of his hands.

Hard to shoot an AR-15 out of someones hands when they are firing it at you......wait a minute....it was on safety and never fired

 

[orange]

Somehow it's going to be even more justified.

They only missed that much because he was offensively crouching at them.

 

[dross]

Hitting him 61 times was proof of justification. Hitting him less times is even more proofier.

The cops did right. All evidence that exists supports this and if the evidence changes, it will then also support it. All you have to know is the cops did right, then you can properly understand whatever evidience comes to light.

 

[patience0830]

All I can think is. . .

this is a real tragedy for a young woman and a 4 yr old. And if you want to do something real and good to change that, you'll stop making sport of the SWAT team and look for a way to help the family. Legal fund started, maybe? Put your money where your mouth is that way.

 

[Keyser Soze]

So the almost 70% miss rate blows another Keysor myth out of the water huh...

Its accurate.
http://www.forcescience.org/articles/shotsfired.pdf

 

[Keyser Soze]

So, Keyser, now that we have an update on shot placement, do you believe this is an unjustified shoot?

Absolutely justified. Crouching, standing, kneeling, fire, safe...point firearm at a police officer and lethal force is justified.

 

[dross]

It's kind of like those guidelines they use to profile potential drug runners.

Speeding is one characteristic, as is scrupulous adherence to speed limits. Nervousness is one sign, as is extreme calmness.

Also, video doesn't tell the whole story, but the cops always do.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Hitting him 61 times was proof of justification. Hitting him less times is even more proofier.

The cops did right. All evidence that exists supports this and if the evidence changes, it will then also support it. All you have to know is the cops did right, then you can properly understand whatever evidience comes to light.

I'll change my mind if it comes to light the part where he points a firearm at swat officers turns out to be fabricated.

 

[Keyser Soze]

It's kind of like those guidelines they use to profile potential drug runners.

Speeding is one characteristic, as is scrupulous adherence to speed limits. Nervousness is one sign, as is extreme calmness.

Also, video doesn't tell the whole story, but the cops always do.

Of course it does not tell the "whole" story if it does not support your beliefs the shooting was unjustified.

 

[Fargo]

Absolutely justified. Crouching, standing, kneeling, fire, safe...point firearm at a police officer and lethal force is justified.

If you really think that is what the law is, I hope to heaven you aren't really any form of LE...

 

[dross]

I'll change my mind if it comes to light the part where he points a firearm at swat officers turns out to be fabricated.

You don't ask for much, do you? Perhaps one of the officers will change his story. Yep.

They already fabricated the part where he shot first.