Gun Control Frenzy

[Tanfodude]

https://m.facebook.com/Veterans-For-Gun-Reform-849600428575328/

Veterans for gun reform.

A few veterans have went to this page and left comments that will probably get them banned from the page.

It'll probably take awhile.

Well, I can believe this. These are the type that actually will follow unconstitutional orders (even for LEO) if they're still active. So yeah, the 2A is there to be against this type of people.

 

[jamil]

Recent drive-by shooting here in Indy that killed a one year old child is being blamed on a disagreement on social media (between teenagers).

https://www.wthr.com/article/shooti...ay-have-resulted-from-dispute-on-social-media

From the article:
Plywood covers the windows that had been riddled with bullet holes, as had the front door. The shooting, according to witnesses, stems from teenagers who started arguing over social media.

“Kids fighting. Teenagers bickering over dumb stuff. Stuff on Facebook," Williams said.

Is this really the generation that should be telling us that OUR guns are the problem? Criminy... they're killing people over Facebook posts for crying out loud. The phrase "clean up your own back yard" comes to mind. Or that t-shirt that someone posted that said, "I'll control my guns. You control your kids".

Well. Okay. Here's an idea. Someone should attach an amendment to the UBC bill in case it ever sees light of day. People who identify as progressives will have to self-report to NICS. The 4473 will be updated to add the following question.

Have you identified as a political progressive in the last 2 years, or did you support or vote for a Democrat, Green, Communist, or Socialist Party candidate in one or more of the last 3 elections?

That'd probably take care of the too young to own weapons issue. If you answer 'yes', no guns for you. It's at least as accurate as any of the other supposed predictors of violence.

 

[jamil]

In case anyone hasn’t seen it:

Language warning.
[video=youtube_share;Mz0hRo-dkcI]http://youtu.be/Mz0hRo-dkcI[/video]

 

[actaeon277]

In case anyone hasn’t seen it:

Language warning.
[video=youtube_share;Mz0hRo-dkcI]http://youtu.be/Mz0hRo-dkcI[/video]

I hadn't seen it.
Hilarious.

Trump is Hitler.
Give the guns to Trump/Hitler.

 

[SchwansManDan]

So.....how about "no." That's been my answer to every person that talks to me about "common sense" reforms.

A couple of friends have talked about "common sense" laws, but when I ask them to define their position, i.e., what does it mean to them? What laws make sense? What restrictions would you actually put in place if you had the ability to write the regulations? How would these new laws reduce murders when the current laws allow so many to occur? ... I usually hear the chirping of crickets, unless it's the occasional nutjob that wants us all restricted to muzzle loading muskets, circa 1775.

 

[OakRiver]

A couple of friends have talked about "common sense" laws, but when I ask them to define their position, i.e., what does it mean to them? What laws make sense? What restrictions would you actually put in place if you had the ability to write the regulations? How would these new laws reduce murders when the current laws allow so many to occur? ... I usually hear the chirping of crickets, unless it's the occasional nutjob that wants us all restricted to muzzle loading muskets, circa 1775.

I've noticed that too. Once you have someone start to specify what laws they want to propose, it gives a good baseline as to how much they actually know and how to move the conversation forward.

 

[jamil]

Here's a pretty well balanced article from [STRIKE]Dilbert[/STRIKE] Scott Adams.
The Fake Gun Control Debate - Dilbert Blog

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Here's a pretty well balanced article from [STRIKE]Dilbert[/STRIKE] Scott Adams.
The Fake Gun Control Debate - Dilbert Blog

I smell butter. Is he OK with only certain kinds of guns being owned by his neighbors, I wonder?

 

[Trigger Time]

Here's a small album of some of the signs found at the Seattle march.

Pretty hilarious... seem to have an "anti-white" theme.

Some language.
https://imgur.com/a/iiOtk


Edit: Bonus -

FBI Homicide Stats for 2014
Deaths by rifle: 284
Deaths by personal weapon (hands, fists, feet): 660

I'm not into fisting

 

[Trigger Time]

These two boys have no clue how awesome chris Farley WAS or they'd be running from his ghost

 

[Sylvain]

I'm not into fisting

Me neither, it hurts.

 

[2A_Tom]

Here's a pretty well balanced article from [STRIKE]Dilbert[/STRIKE] Scott Adams.
The Fake Gun Control Debate - Dilbert Blog

From the article:

[FONT=&quot]Many pro-gun folks feel safer owning guns. Or they might simply enjoy guns for sporting purposes. They might also prefer gun ownership to lower the risk of a despot taking over, or simply because gun ownership is a freedom granted in the Constitution. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]But the unspoken part of those preferences includes the knowledge that some number of innocent people, including children, will die because of current gun laws.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] To be fair, guns will save some people as well. But no doubt about it, some innocent people will die whenever guns are easy to obtain.[/FONT]

I call total BS. The current gun laws do not allow for murder under any circumstances. Criminals will break any law to achieve their desires.

 

[Trigger Time]

Me neither, it hurts.

 

[Vigilant]

I think in that context (and being Seattle), her idea of a "real man" is something along these lines... She probably just couldn't fit "to hold their latte's" after the word "fists".

No she meant he was gonna first his boy toy!

 

[Vigilant]

Me neither, it hurts.

I heard the French were more liberal sexually, but this, this takes the cake!

 

[Vigilant]

I dunno is there a license to hunt school children?

I also wonder if you can get landowner permits?

 

[jamil]

From the article:



I call total BS. The current gun laws do not allow for murder under any circumstances. Criminals will break any law to achieve their desires.

He has a point, that there are at least some people who've died because someone who had easy access to guns shot them. And had they not had that easy access those people might be alive. Whatever that number is, it's not zero. I think we can admit that.

However, I don't want to make it an issue of where to draw the line on how much gun control is appropriate a contest between some perceived right to feeling safer and the right to bear arms. The latter is supreme. The only gun control laws we need is in laws that make assault, intimidation, murder, and whatever other malicious harm you can do with a firearm, illegal.

 

[jamil]

I've been thinking about something I've heard Jordan Peterson say a few times, that the greatest predictor of violence in a society is income inequality. That's just not something that's intuitive. So I started reading about that. And it appears to be true. There seems to be a very high correlation between murder rates and income inequality as measured by Gini index. There's almost zero correlation between gun ownership and murders.

So this would explain why the UK has a lower murder rate than the US. They have a lower Gini index. So does Canada. So does Germany. If you compare the rankings for murders per capita by nation, it looks very similar to the rankings of income inequality.

Of course the discussion of how to solve income inequality is a difficult one. That debate is probably pretty close in fierceness to the gun debate.

 

[Tanfodude]

On our part in helping curb accidental deaths. Would it be wise that for every firearm transaction, the firearm comes with a safety instructions like the four rules of firearm safety with the phrase "to prevent accidental injury or death" in bold red letters and make it sound less technical, be placed covering the firearm so dumbasses that are legal in buying firearms well see the light? When I sold my firearms to friends and before I introduced them to firearms, I strongly emphasized the safety aspect of it.

Would FFL, private sellers or firearm manufacturers be willing go with this route to help our cause? It's gotta start somewhere. Instead of us always playing on the defensive end. How about a collective initiative on this? At least, this way, they'll look at us and see that we really are responsible gun owners.

Just throwing my cents. I know. I expect an answer of "it won't work" and such. It may not now, but it worked to everyone that has been taught about firearm safety.

 

[sht4brnz]

On our part in helping curb accidental deaths. Would it be wise that for every firearm transaction, the firearm comes with a safety instructions like the four rules of firearm safety with the phrase "to prevent accidental injury or death" in bold red letters and make it sound less technical, be placed covering the firearm so dumbasses that are legal in buying firearms well see the light? When I sold my firearms to friends and before I introduced them to firearms, I strongly emphasized the safety aspect of it.

Would FFL, private sellers or firearm manufacturers be willing go with this route to help our cause? It's gotta start somewhere. Instead of us always playing on the defensive end. How about a collective initiative on this? At least, this way, they'll look at us and see that we really are responsible gun owners.

Just throwing my cents. I know. I expect an answer of "it won't work" and such. It may not now, but it worked to everyone that has been taught about firearm safety.

Why not make it mandatory curriculum in elementary school?
How not to accidentally shoot yourself or others. Doesn't sound any worse than sex ed