Guy running at you

[Turfweazel]

I was talking to my brother today who is a self defense instructor. He was saying if an attacker is running at you the minimum reaction time to pull your weapon and engage them is around 25 yards. My first thought was that is pretty far I can do that. Second thought is if he is running at you that distance will disappear quickly. I realize that there are a lot of variables to this but what would be your "reaction zone"?

Andy

 

[Dead Duck]

I was told at a gun shop that it was 100 yards. That why I carry my 50 caliber. Can never be too safe.




Nobody's getting near me.

 

[VERT]

If the attacker is already running at you? My guess is that they could cover 25 yards before most people could draw a gun and defend themselves.

I used to be able to run a 40 from a dead stop in about 5 seconds. So a person already moving towards you should be able to cover 25 yards in about 2.5 seconds.

Tueller Drill - Basically a person with a knife or other weapon can cover 21 feet in about 1.5 seconds.

Considering it takes me about 2 seconds from hearing a signal to draw and fire an aimed shot, I would say that things will be a little close. And that is assuming that I recognize the threat in time to even react.

 

[Bunnykid68]

If the attacker is already running at you? My guess is that they could cover 25 yards before most people could draw a gun and defend themselves.

I used to be able to run a 40 from a dead stop in about 5 seconds. So a person already moving towards you should be able to cover 25 yards in about 2.5 seconds.

Tueller Drill - Basically a person with a knife or other weapon can cover 21 feet in about 1.5 seconds.

Considering it takes me about 2 seconds from hearing a signal to draw and fire an aimed shot, I would say that things will be a little close. And that is assuming that I recognize the threat in time to even react.

Yep, what he wrote ^^^^

 

[daddymikey1975]

If the attacker is already running at you? My guess is that they could cover 25 yards before most people could draw a gun and defend themselves.

I used to be able to run a 40 from a dead stop in about 5 seconds. So a person already moving towards you should be able to cover 25 yards in about 2.5 seconds.

Tueller Drill - Basically a person with a knife or other weapon can cover 21 feet in about 1.5 seconds.

Considering it takes me about 2 seconds from hearing a signal to draw and fire an aimed shot, I would say that things will be a little close. And that is assuming that I recognize the threat in time to even react.

Exactly what I was thinking. If your SA is on point, you should be in a position to defend yourself if he's at 25 yards and closing already though IMO.

 

[ParaManAR15]

25 yards is quite a distance. I was taught 21 feet is the reactionary gap for someone running at you. We did many practices on this for self defense during boat/ship boardings. Out of all the boardings I did, I very very rarely had a 21 foot reactionary gap unless I was on the top deck of a ship. So within that 21 feet you have about 1.5 seconds +/- a few hundredths of a second to react, draw your weapon, and shoot.

 

[jeremy]

I was told at a gun shop that it was 100 yards. That why I carry my 50 caliber. Can never be too safe.




Nobody's getting near me.

Nobody wants to be near you to start with.....

 

[Titanium_Frost]

If they are 25 YARDS out that should be plenty of time to present a weapon and aim a shot.

If they are 21 FEET away- you need to be thinking about some type of defense besides attempting to deploy a handgun.

 

[Bunnykid68]

If they are 25 YARDS out that should be plenty of time to present a weapon and aim a shot.

If they are 21 FEET away- you need to be thinking about some type of defense besides attempting to deploy a handgun.

If they are already moving 25 yards is not very far at all, I am old and can cover 25 yards pretty quick if I am already moving. I just walked across my office (20ft) in 2.79 sec. had to step over my heater cord too.

 

[Dead Duck]

Nobody wants to be near you to start with.....

B..Bu...But..Hu M...

 

[Titanium_Frost]

If they are already moving 25 yards is not very far at all, I am old and can cover 25 yards pretty quick if I am already moving. I just walked across my office (20ft) in 2.79 sec. had to step over my heater cord too.

I draw from an open top kydex holster with rarely anything over it- I can draw pretty damn fast from my daily carry rig

One of the many benefits of OC

Anyone else feel like we haven't had a good OC/CC argument lately?

 

[Bunnykid68]

I draw from an open top kydex holster with rarely anything over it- I can draw pretty damn fast from my daily carry rig

One of the many benefits of OC

Anyone else feel like we haven't had a good OC/CC argument lately?

Have you ever timed your draw? Best/worst times.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Usually less than a second for a pointed shot at close distance. Aiming takes a bit longer, but your target is closing in- not really necessary to use sights if you train to point shoot.

 

[mpitcock]

The actual time to draw the weapon is not the entire issue. Reaction time is the issue. You must perceive the threat then mentally make the decision to draw. If not properly trained, this takes longer than the point and shoot.

 

[USMC1811]

Run away while you are drawing, stop, turn, pop 3 where it hurts most. Sometimes you have to fall back to get prepared.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

The actual time to draw the weapon is not the entire issue. Reaction time is the issue. You must perceive the threat then mentally make the decision to draw. If not properly trained, this takes longer than the point and shoot.

Very correct. I would likely not draw on someone 25 yards away that isn't already shooting at me or with a visible weapon in a threatening manner.

That is why I put that if you have a threat within 21 feet you probably should look into another means of defense besides standing your ground and drawing on them. You would be overrun and a good chance to lose control of your weapon or at least be in a struggle for it.

That is why Tueller drills are often skewed because you KNOW they are a threat before it begins and you are ready for it. In reality if you are walking down the street and out of the blue someone attacks you with a knife by surprise- you are likely done for. Thank God we don't have random ninja wannabes jumping out at us like an 80's videogame

Double Dragon anyone?

 

[Bunnykid68]

The actual time to draw the weapon is not the entire issue. Reaction time is the issue. You must perceive the threat then mentally make the decision to draw. If not properly trained, this takes longer than the point and shoot.

Based on the OP I was working on the assumption the runner was spotted at 25 yards and already moving.

Frosty, want to do some experiments? Obviously I will not actually attack you if you promise not to actually draw on me

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Based on the OP I was working on the assumption the runner was spotted at 25 yards and already moving.

Frosty, want to do some experiments? Obviously I will not actually attack you if you promise not to actually draw on me

I'm up for it. I tried to get a hold of a training knife and a blue gun/yellow barrel for some fun with retention during an attack on an OCer.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I'm up for it. I tried to get a hold of a training knife and a blue gun/yellow barrel for some fun with retention during an attack on an OCer.

Hell we can use a banana or anything. Just needs to be approximate. I can have one of the kids time us once I cross the 25 yard mark and yell at you to turn around and draw.

 

[jeremy]

I think Frosty should get to use a Hickory Ax Handle...

Might make it more entertaining for us...