Hammond LEO interaction today

[jbombelli]

18 U.S.C. § 1715: "Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable and shall not be deposited in or carried by the mails or delivered by any officer or employee of the Postal Service."

I saw no exemption for a police officer putting it in a residential mailbox for temporary safe keeping. However, there are conditions listed under which a handgun might be mailed.


Further, if the mail carrier happened by to deliver mail while it was in the box, we might be looking at 18 U.S.C. § 1701, dealing with Obstruction of Mails: "Whoever knowingly and willfully obstructs or retards the passage of the mail, or any carrier or conveyance carrying the mail, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both." I imagine this would apply if the handgun filled a large enough portion of the box that it became difficult for the mail carrier to put mail in the box (like a package that fills up most of the box - we get those regularly).

In short, I don't think he should have put the handgun in the mailbox.


Oh, and those drive-up mailboxes at my post office? I can fit much more than a letter in there. The door opens fairly widely.

 

[Spike_351]

So, I took advantage of the nice weather to rake my front lawn finally. The two years I've been at this address I've OC in the summer when doing yard work but today, according to the responding officers, Kruse was the last name of one, a neighbor called about it.

The short of it is that Kruse asked if I was LEO (no), why did I have all that? (I'm licensed to carry), Do you have it one you? (I'm thinking I must not be OC correctly if you cant see it when you're standing in front of me but I just say yes). He asked for my license which I of course handed over. He then asked for my driver's license. This is where the problems occur. So who was correct?

Kruse and the other officer who pulled up and who disarmed me, took my Boker MPT plus as well, eventually said one is required by law to carry a photo ID if they are licensed and carrying a firearm. The first time Kruse asked for my ID I said I understood that I didn't have to hand over my ID if I wasn't breaking a law and that he could call in the license and verify it.
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Long story short, we went back and forth on that. They said even if we are wrong we can err on the side of safety and all is good I'm barking up the wrong tree. I'm looking at ordinances in black and white they are going to do what they have to. The other officer put my gun and knife in a safe place (mailbox on the house). Kruse then asked me what would I do the next time. I said (yes I could have been more nuanced), If I verify the law requires me to do so I'll hand over my license. So Kruse gets a bit irritated and takes my gun and say he could impound it and then I would have to provide photo ID when I got get it. I asked how he was going to explain to a judge he thought I was a threat. He said because I didn't give him my photo ID when he asked he has reasonable suspicion I am not who I say I am. I could be anybody. I could be my brother etc. Yeah sure, my LTCH has the address on it that I happen to be raking the front lawn of. But, hey maybe I was wrong about the whole photo ID anyway, but even if I was correct, seems to me it doesn't matter and maybe never did. Officer safety and erring on the side of safety are excuses for whatever it seems.

So was I correct that I did not have to give them photo ID or were they correct and the law requires it and requires carrying a photo ID when legally armed. Again, not that it matters even if they were wrong, err on the side of safety and all.

Guess I need to use the digital voice recorder even when I am on my own property now.

They said they both supported gun rights, just want to make sure we are doing it correctly. When asking for ID just hand it over. Before they left I shook their hands and I said all and all I didnt think this went so badly. I may have been trying to soothe an inflamed ego for one of them or just trying to be really nice, I'm not sure yet, maybe a bit of both.

your on private property, no LTCH needed, tell him to **** off and go walk away, no crime has been commited he has no legal right to be on your property. End of discussion, file a complaint and raise hell over it. There is no way in hell I would have cooperated with him, if he happened to confiscate your weapon, take the receipt and call guy Telford to collect your money.

 

[Longhair]

I have an AK. I admit I thought to myself, they are lucky I wasnt carrying that, maybe I should next time, the added weight would be good exercise.

Welp.......I think you just ruined it for yourself.

 

[jon5212]

Hopefully Guy told him to stop posting... suit needs to be filed...

 

[SteveM4A1]

The OP had a handgun ...so its safe to assume that all (except possibly you) were referring to HANDGUNS. I believe all my posts state HANDGUNS so the long guns references are moot. Its very hard to mail a handgun ....from the freakin parking lot!

I already knew it was legal to ship a long gun via the USPS and have done so many times, that is why I never mentioned long guns being illegal to ship.

Actually you stated firearms, which stephen87 has pointed out to you is incorrect, but you keep ignoring it.

 

[aikidoka]

Welp.......I think you just ruined it for yourself.

my point being they would have been more agitated over that legal activity. I could have been clearer but please don't make the same assumptions gun grabbers constantly smear us with.

 

[aikidoka]

Hopefully Guy told him to stop posting... suit needs to be filed...

guy has yet to reply. It is the weekend.

 

[jon5212]

Stop posting anyways... any replies you make here would be privy in court...

 

[Sarge470]

Okay, where's the forehead-slap smiley when I really need it? Unfortunately, not every agency in the state uses the same in-service training curriculum...

 

[GunnerDan]

I sit here and wonder why the OP has said a single word on a forum about this incident. To the OP, I recommend you do 2 things, in this order. !. Shut Your mouth, fingers, keyboard, whatever. 2. Call Guy Relford.

Gunner

 

[Longhair]

my point being they would have been more agitated over that legal activity. I could have been clearer but please don't make the same assumptions gun grabbers constantly smear us with.

I'm not making any assumptions.........those were your words I quoted! This seems like one of those joke threads I see here often.

You have been a member here since 2009 with over five hundred post and still don't know you don't need a ltch to carry on your property? There must be a secret porn sub forum here I don't know about!!

You had a good case against those goons and I'm sorry.........................you blew it with that post!!!

 

[stephen87]

Actually you stated firearms, which stephen87 has pointed out to you is incorrect, but you keep ignoring it.

Thank you! He'll still ignore it and say that I'm the only one talking about anything other than a handgun. I can read, apparently he's not too sure what the difference between 'handgun' and 'firearm' is.

 

[actaeon277]

Instead of everyone ***** slapping each other, why don't we just wait to see what happens with the OP?

 

[Yup!]

Instead of everyone ***** slapping each other, why don't we just wait to see what happens with the OP?

i didn't join INGO to sit around and wait for facts!

 

[actaeon277]

i didn't join INGO to sit around and wait for facts!

That took 24 minutes longer than I thought it would.

 

[dmarsh8]

Welp.......I think you just ruined it for yourself.

ya that statement worried me too. for his sake.

 

[Sniper 79]

You didn't even need a license on your own damn property, I would have told them to pound sand, they can arrest me or get lost.

You do not even have to have your LTCH on you when you are out in public anymore, the officers were ****ing idiots.

I would file a complaint.

Totally agree with you on this brother!

 

[Tanfodude]

You have been here 4.5 years and didn't know you could carry on your own property without an LTCH?

INGO, my brothers and sisters, we have failed..

I really LOL'd at this.

 

[2ndAMEND]

I feel you had every right to be upset..the thing with deaing with officers is its your word against there's and without proof their side is usually the believed one

 

[MickeyBlueEyes]

On MY property? I wouldn't have handed them a damned thing. They can arrest me or get lost. And the next time I'm working in the yard I'm carrying my AK.

i would break out the grenade launcher next...