Here Comes the Executive Order on Background Checks

[churchmouse]

What would be the point? We already covered that earlier, and nothing's changed since then.
Grow up.

HHhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

They filter in.

481 posts in this thread and you respond in this manner.
Who is being childish.
Fair question.
We all know how you stand politically.
That is your right. It is seriously confusing to gun owners in the face of all the insanity POTUS has pushed on us and you as a gun owner (you are a gun owner correct) stay in lock step with him.
You are a gun owner yes......fair question.

 

[Bennettjh]

I see. Clever idea. I thought it was going to be a NRA bashing video.

 

[bwframe]

I see. Clever idea. I thought it was going to be a NRA bashing video.

It might be a better one if the guy making the video wasn't an idiot.

 

[KG1]

Not sure how they can. I believe they are trying to stop the joe blows at the gun shows with the signs that read "private seller" or "private collection". It's all a load of crap anyway. Obama just wants the anti's to believe he's doing something while he does nothing.

Unless they try to ban all private sales at gun shows there is simply no way to prove someone is in the "business of selling firearms" unless they are caught selling above this arbitrary amount at one particular show. Even then someone would have to be keeping track of how many firearms these so called individuals have been selling.

Keep in mind that the questions I've been asking are pretty much rhetorical in nature and I'm fully aware that this move by Obama is really meant as a political act that will not prevent anything as you have pointed out.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Unless they try to ban all private sales at gun shows there is simply no way to prove someone is in the "business of selling firearms" unless they are caught selling above this arbitrary amount at one particular show.

Once again, I have concerns that this is not true. If the IRS can pull a number out of thin air about how much they decide a person made and did not pay taxes on, and it becomes a binding figure with little or no recourse, and you are on the hook for it, and if the drug warriors can arbitrarily decide that you have intent to distribute based on possession of an arbitrary amount of a substance, I see no reason why the BATFags can't, by whatever alchemy, pull a number out of their collective ass about how many guns you are deemed to have sold, or decide that possession of more than an arbitrary number of guns, especially in conjunction with making an attempt to sell any of them, constitutes intent to be an unlicensed dealer. The precedent is already there at more than one level. All they have to do is apply it to guns.

 

[Caleb]

Once again, I have concerns that this is not true. If the IRS can pull a number out of thin air about how much they decide a person made and did not pay taxes on, and it becomes a binding figure with little or no recourse, and you are on the hook for it, and if the drug warriors can arbitrarily decide that you have intent to distribute based on possession of an arbitrary amount of a substance, I see no reason why the BATFags can't, by whatever alchemy, pull a number out of their collective ass about how many guns you are deemed to have sold, or decide that possession of more than an arbitrary number of guns, especially in conjunction with making an attempt to sell any of them, constitutes intent to be an unlicensed dealer. The precedent is already there at more than one level. All they have to do is apply it to guns.

...or put you on the no-fly list for no damn reason.

 

[bwframe]

Have you all noticed that EVERY news story for the past 4 days has began with the EO gun control story?
Again the Dems are leading the narrative. What aren't we talking about in this election year?

 

[KG1]

Once again, I have concerns that this is not true. If the IRS can pull a number out of thin air about how much they decide a person made and did not pay taxes on, and it becomes a binding figure with little or no recourse, and you are on the hook for it, and if the drug warriors can arbitrarily decide that you have intent to distribute based on possession of an arbitrary amount of a substance, I see no reason why the BATFags can't, by whatever alchemy, pull a number out of their collective ass about how many guns you are deemed to have sold, or decide that possession of more than an arbitrary number of guns, especially in conjunction with making an attempt to sell any of them, constitutes intent to be an unlicensed dealer. The precedent is already there at more than one level. All they have to do is apply it to guns.

I guess the devil is in the details (more like the devil is formulating the details) and we will have to wait and see what they determine constitutes "being in the business" and how many firearms sales it takes to cross that threshold.

Theoretically a person could sell a fair bit under that arbitrary threshold through private sales at a gun show without a background check and could have just as good of a chance to sell one to a person with ill intent so this baseless EO is in essence a political load of bunk that will prevent nothing.

 

[Lowe0]

HHhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

They filter in.

481 posts in this thread and you respond in this manner.
Who is being childish.
Fair question.
We all know how you stand politically.
That is your right. It is seriously confusing to gun owners in the face of all the insanity POTUS has pushed on us and you as a gun owner (you are a gun owner correct) stay in lock step with him.
You are a gun owner yes......fair question.

LOL... it's like watching a No True Scotsman fallacy played out, live. Yes, I own several guns and have my permit. But hey, if telling yourself that I just can't be makes the cognitive dissonance quiet down, be my guest.

 

[Trigger Time]

LOL... it's like watching a No True Scotsman fallacy played out, live. Yes, I own several guns and have my permit. But hey, if telling yourself that I just can't be makes the cognitive dissonance quiet down, be my guest.

Kiss your guns goodbye. At least you'll have your trees

 

[KG1]

LOL... it's like watching a No True Scotsman fallacy played out, live. Yes, I own several guns and have my permit. But hey, if telling yourself that I just can't be makes the cognitive dissonance quiet down, be my guest.

Nice fancy talk and everything but it doesn't exactly take a genius to figure out why you're here.

 

[Lowe0]

Nice fancy talk and everything but it doesn't exactly take a genius to figure out why you're here.

Okay, I'll hear you out: why am I here?

 

[rhino]

Ay, caramba! The quoting!

 

[tbhausen]

LOL... it's like watching a No True Scotsman fallacy played out, live. Yes, I own several guns and have my permit. But hey, if telling yourself that I just can't be makes the cognitive dissonance quiet down, be my guest.

Vote Democrat = vote you gun rights away.
Vote Republican = vote to protect and retain your gun rights.

All the rest is mouth boogie nearly all of us don't give a rat's ass about. You're in the wrong place to make your arguments. This is a gun forum. We don't care about the other BS. We care about what Democrats WILL do to our gun rights, given sufficient power. You aren't likely to change a single mind here. Sorry to be so direct, but that's how it is here.

 

[churchmouse]

LOL... it's like watching a No True Scotsman fallacy played out, live. Yes, I own several guns and have my permit. But hey, if telling yourself that I just can't be makes the cognitive dissonance quiet down, be my guest.

Nope. Nothing of the sort. You answered two fair questions for me. Thank you.

Now......explain how you think leaning to the left supports the 2A and other constitutional freedoms they would remove from us.
How forcing the citizens to enter into a contract (no matter what scotus ruled, they are wrong and we all know it) can be glossed over and moved past by those who believe as you do.
yes, there is a problem. I see it. Many others do as well. If you do not that is on you but your arguments seem shallow at best.
I fear what little remains of the country I grew up in is fading away.

Oh you are real enough.

 

[IndyDave1776]

LOL... it's like watching a No True Scotsman fallacy played out, live. Yes, I own several guns and have my permit. But hey, if telling yourself that I just can't be makes the cognitive dissonance quiet down, be my guest.

How is it cognitive dissonance to recognize the obvious truth that you value frivolous and contrived 'rights' divined out of the blank spaces between the lines while placing comparatively little value on the bedrock of the Constitution which so long as it remains standing in spite of the relentless attacks on it, is what separates us from those who are either de facto or de jure subjects of their governments?

 

[churchmouse]

How is it cognitive dissonance to recognize the obvious truth that you value frivolous and contrived 'rights' divined out of the blank spaces between the lines while placing comparatively little value on the bedrock of the Constitution which so long as it remains standing in spite of the relentless attacks on it, is what separates us from those who are either de facto or de jure subjects of their governments?

I need another thesaurus....

 

[Expat]

Ay, caramba! The quoting!

I read in another thread that we can't see quotes either and if we do, we are not allowed to have a response...
even if it makes your head explode.

 

[churchmouse]

Okay, I'll hear you out: why am I here?

Not sure about this my friend. Just not sure.
We need to meet for some serious range time and a cheeseburger.....on me of course.

 

[WOLFEMAN]

"When Injustice Becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty"