Honesty

[dlandersson]

I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with any man that stands right. Stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.
A. Lincoln

Nicely put.

 

[jamil]

"Honest" abe my ***.

The problem with being purely pragmatic is that sometimes lying is the pragmatic thing to do. Pragmatism without principle is a race to the bottom. But, it looks to me like Lincoln was also a an idealist too. It looks to me like if he were purely pragmatic, if it were really just about keeping the union together, he'd have just said, okay **** it. You win. You can keep your slaves. And the goal of keeping the union together likely would have been achieved. What's easier, spending 620K lives on forcing a union, or gaslighting the abolitionists into accepting it?

So it was also every bit about slavery to Lincoln. He wanted to end it. And he wanted to preserve the union. To a pragmatic idealist everything is on the table. It doesn't matter what he wrote. It matters what he did.

 

[patience0830]

160 years ago? Seems like only yesterday.

You're older than I thought.

 

[KG1]

You're older than I thought.

I'm older today than I was yesterday.

 

[deo62]

Endeavor to persevere

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I'm older today than I was yesterday.

"I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now." -- Bob Dylan

 

[Ziggidy]

So easy to be a Monday morning quarterback…

 

[fullmetaljesus]

Wrong. Absolutely.

Can we unpack this just a little? I'm quite curious, why was he wrong to prioritize saving the union?

 

[rhamersley]

I’M APATHETIC ON LINCOLN, DAMMIT! A P A T H E T I C! I feel quite strongly about that. Don’t make me use all the werdz.

TJ;DR. (Too Jamil; didn’t read)

 

[Lpherr]

Welcome to INGO, OP. Pulled out the big spoon to stir the folks up on your second post, impressive. Would like to better understand the deep thinking behind the quote of an historic figure.

No original text from your perspective?

Have to wonder what their username was before?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

For a crap post that they didn't interact with, it certainly was a great conversation starter!

 

[Gunmetalgray]

Have to wonder what their username was before?

I'm impressed and convinced that nothing will ever slip past the INGO community. Y'all have obviously and collectively see it all. No idea if it's the case here or not. Just refreshing to see folks are on the lookout and will point out any nefarious activity.

 

[DataGeek19]

Welcome!

I don't care for Lincoln, but didnt mean to be a jerk to the new guy.

The sentiment of the quote is admirable, however i feel about the origin.

I agree with Bubba Effect. I wonder if the OP wonders what the heck he got himself into with posting what he probably felt was an innocent quote. It was only his second or third entry and bam… It’s a Lincoln debate.

Don’t give up, Popm! You are on your way to fifty posts! Maybe try using other presidential quotes. It may be safe to use something William Harrison said!

 

[jamil]

I agree with Bubba Effect. I wonder if the OP wonders what the heck he got himself into with posting what he probably felt was an innocent quote. It was only his second or third entry and bam… It’s a Lincoln debate.

Don’t give up, Popm! You are on your way to fifty posts! Maybe try using other presidential quotes. It may be safe to use something William Harrison said!

If he’s lurked around INGO for any length of time he knows what’s up.

 

[KG1]

If he’s lurked around INGO for any length of time he knows what’s up.

Possibly but I think it's more likely that he liked the sentiments of the quote and thought others would agree with it too not realizing that the mention of anything related to Lincoln was a firestarter here.

 

[ditcherman]

You're older than I thought.

I'm older today than I was yesterday.

You MADE me put this here…

 

[ditcherman]

Possibly but I think it's more likely that he liked the sentiments of the quote and thought others would agree with it too not realizing that the mention of anything related to Lincoln was a firestarter here.

So…., we could just skip all the L*****n talk and go back to the subject…

Does anyone else do business on a handshake anymore?
I’ll land 10k to 50k worth of product on their job, do the work, and collect when I’m done, unless weather stops us and then I may collect on the finished part, all based on me giving them an estimate and they say ok.
23 years and never have signed a paper or contract, only been held up once for a small amount (wasn’t small at the time) by - get this for the stereotype - a guy that was a doctor and a lawyer.

In the words of Stephen Stills, “I don’t do business that don’t make me smile”…so far, so good.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Possibly but I think it's more likely that he liked the sentiments of the quote and thought others would agree with it too not realizing that the mention of anything related to Lincoln was a firestarter here.

A more effective fire starter than white phosphorous. Around here it's more like adding willie pete to a stack of tires... that have been soaked in napalm.

 

[BigRed]

Endeavor to persevere

"Gone to Texas" is a good read.....Eastwood's movie adaptation is one of hos best!

Lone Watie: I wore this frock coat in Washington, before the war. We wore them because we belonged to the five civilized tribes. We dressed ourselves up like Abraham Lincoln. We only got to see the Secretary of the Interior, and he said: "Boy! You boys sure look civilized.!" he congratulated us and gave us medals for looking so civilized. We told him about how our land had been stolen and our people were dying. When we finished he shook our hands and said, "endeavor to persevere!" They stood us in a line: John Jumper, Chili McIntosh, Buffalo Hump, Jim Buckmark, and me — I am Lone Watie. They took our pictures. And the newspapers said, "Indians vow to endeavor to persevere."
We thought about it for a long time, "Endeavor to persevere." And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union.

 

[BigRed]

Does anyone else do business on a handshake anymore?

Yes.