House Democrats introduce assault weapons ban

[tcecil88]

I skimmed through the bill and I have to read this some more later, but I saw a portion talking about "grandfathered" magazines, but not weapons.
The weapons I keep for personal and property defense are all on the ban list, just by definition alone.
I agree this will not go anywhere in its current state, but some form of it may pass at a later date.
I noticed that there was no provision listing what we can do to legally dispose of such deadly devices, nor a provision for criminals to turn theirs in.

 

[sapper]

Who keeps electing these anti 2nd politicians?

 

[cobber]

Cretins who think this guy https://www.facebook.com/CongressmanDavidCicilline/ is qualified to be a congressman. Or this guy https://www.facebook.com/CongressmanAndreCarson/?fref=ts.

I recall when the latter was one of three Indiana Excise officers from that branch of the nobility (grandma was a congressman). He apparently has still not found a job he's good at. Maybe next stop a run at the presidency, since we know you don't have to know spit to be elected to that office.

 

[223 Gunner]

It infuriates me, that as tax paying citizens we pay for this garbage. Why not focus on what really needs fixed in this country?

 

[Tomc1947]

Look at the bright side; this bill is nothing but the lib's jumping on board with Obama. It's going nowhere, but it will give Republican's ammo for the next election.
I'm more interested/concerned about what Obama is going to do in the next couple of weeks.

 

[Thor]

I hope they beat that anti-gun drum real hard...all the way to the election. At least then if it wins we will know the time is nigh. I personally believe it will be an epic loser though.

 

[cobber]

I hope they beat that anti-gun drum real hard...all the way to the election. At least then if it wins we will know the time is nigh. I personally believe it will be an epic loser though.

IF the GOP hangs onto Congress AND a GOPer is elected as president, let's see if we can walk back some of the BS laws and regulations that have been on the books since, say, 1934? And not just firearms. The only way to clean up DC is probably to divert the Potomac to flush all of the bureaucracies into Chesapeake Bay. Hopefully the native crab population is not too adversely affected by the resulting concentration of .

Be interesting to see if Ryan does a better job standing up to Cruz or Trump than he has to Obama (assuming PR is reelected)...

 

[Expat]

Be interesting to see if Ryan does a better job standing up to Cruz or Trump than he has to Obama (assuming PR is reelected)...

I hadn't even thought about that. I bet he really grows a pair if Cruz gets into office. If Hillary does, it will be the same old lap dog, go along to get along routine.

 

[Fullmag]

Has anyone else seen this?

Supreme Court -- Gun Control Challenge Won't Be Heard | National Review Online

 

[tallend]

I sent an E-mail to Coats--Donnelly--Brooks--------"NO MORE ANTI-GUN LAWS"----------and a question for all of them---"Why are you allowing the potus to set himself as king'dictator"----"you are to make the laws------act like it"

I hate the fact that he is using TAXPAYERS money to hire lawyers,to find a way to destroy the Constitution,that he swore to uphold and defend..........

Has anyone else sent a message to thier Senator(s) or Represenative?????????-----------------------

And I sent a donation to the NRA-ILA

tallend

 

[stephen87]

IF the GOP hangs onto Congress AND a GOPer is elected as president, let's see if we can walk back some of the BS laws and regulations that have been on the books since, say, 1934? And not just firearms. The only way to clean up DC is probably to divert the Potomac to flush all of the bureaucracies into Chesapeake Bay. Hopefully the native crab population is not too adversely affected by the resulting concentration of .

Be interesting to see if Ryan does a better job standing up to Cruz or Trump than he has to Obama (assuming PR is reelected)...

Can we skip the GOP? Can we choose someone who will actually uphold the ENTIRE Constitution and not pick and choose the parts they want?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Treasonous.
They swore an oath to uphold the constitution, but apparently they made a different pledge to their donors. Hang them all.

 

[IndyDave1776]

IF the GOP hangs onto Congress AND a GOPer is elected as president, let's see if we can walk back some of the BS laws and regulations that have been on the books since, say, 1934? And not just firearms. The only way to clean up DC is probably to divert the Potomac to flush all of the bureaucracies into Chesapeake Bay. Hopefully the native crab population is not too adversely affected by the resulting concentration of .

Be interesting to see if Ryan does a better job standing up to Cruz or Trump than he has to Obama (assuming PR is reelected)...

There is a specific reason why I am very skeptical of this thinking, although I can understand it.

In 1998, Dick Armey came to Indiana to support John Hostetler. The venue was the home of a doctor in Bloomington (and I scored some serious points with Mrs. Doc by giving her Maltese, who was feeling neglected, some attention). Anyway, standing around the living room, the conversation included what I took at the time as a prediction, but in retrospect understand was a statement of fact, that GWB was going to be the next president. My question was that of how quickly and diligently work would be done toward repealing certain unconstitutional laws. Armey assured me that they would get right to work on it as soon as they had both congress and the White House. I waited for six years and saw absolutely nothing done and listened to the NRA mumble, "enforce the existing laws, enforce the existing laws, enforce the existing laws".

Given the current crop of RINOs, I fail to see any reason why I should expect any better this time.

 

[cobber]

There is a specific reason why I am very skeptical of this thinking, although I can understand it.

In 1998, Dick Armey came to Indiana to support John Hostetler. The venue was the home of a doctor in Bloomington (and I scored some serious points with Mrs. Doc by giving her Maltese, who was feeling neglected, some attention). Anyway, standing around the living room, the conversation included what I took at the time as a prediction, but in retrospect understand was a statement of fact, that GWB was going to be the next president. My question was that of how quickly and diligently work would be done toward repealing certain unconstitutional laws. Armey assured me that they would get right to work on it as soon as they had both congress and the White House. I waited for six years and saw absolutely nothing done and listened to the NRA mumble, "enforce the existing laws, enforce the existing laws, enforce the existing laws".

Given the current crop of RINOs, I fail to see any reason why I should expect any better this time.

The NRA needs to be militant, no matter who's in the WH. So do all of us. In a kinder, gentler fashion of course.

 

[IndyDave1776]

The NRA needs to be militant, no matter who's in the WH. So do all of us. In a kinder, gentler fashion of course.

That's my point. I don't see the utility in supporting them when so far the evidence establishes them as do-nothings who have in common with Jackson and Sharpton that they can kick and scream when things look bleak, raise a bunch of money, and they lie down as soon as the overwhelming threat dissipates, if it dissipates, and in either case, lie down without doing anything to correct an already intolerable situation. The GOP, well, they could, when able to do so without any difficulty, clean up some of those messes like the NFA, GCA 68, the Hughes Amendment, if it hadn't already been deemed null and void by virtue of FA weapons no longer being regulated, and a few others, but no, they get in office and basically tell us to **** off--except Lugar who put only the thinnest veneer on telling me to **** off regarding the subject.

 

[oldpink]

There once was a day when we stacked totalitarians like cord wood.

 

[IndyDave1776]

There once was a day when we stacked totalitarians like cord wood.

 

[Ironhippie]

Just proves how ignorant these people are.......exempt the Ruger Mini-14 without folding stock....but one with a folding stock, that's a lethal SOB there and needs to be banned. These friggen geniuses amaze me.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Just proves how ignorant these people are.......exempt the Ruger Mini-14 without folding stock....but one with a folding stock, that's a lethal SOB there and needs to be banned. These friggen geniuses amaze me.

If they had the smallest modicum of sense, they wouldn't be leftists.

 

[seedubs1]

A lot of them just don't know any different. They argue their points, but aren't informed enough on the subject to make educated decisions.

Here's a couple of examples:

- I had a buddy that thought all guns being sold or gifted should go through a background check. He hadn't thought about all of the logistics and didn't know anything about the current systems and procedures in place. He didn't understand that I couldn't just call into the NICS system (I'm not an FFL) and ask for a background check and that the NICS check would have to go through a third party business, which is unregulated regarding price for the BG check and unregulated as to their ability to refuse to even do a check in the first place. He also didn't realize that serial numbers, gun models, etc... are recorded in today's BG checks and that information could be used for a defacto universal registration (and what that means). Just lots of things he hadn't thought of.

- Regarding AWB's, I've had a few friends that didn't understand the operation of rifles and differences in aesthetics, mechanics, etc... I promptly took them back to my safe and showed them some examples of what is and isn't currently legal and what the differences are in reality vs. what the media wants them to think. I showed them an AR and explained the difference between it and a M4/M16, etc... As well as the difference between something like an M14/M1a and an AR and how a larger bore semi-auto that doesn't scare them with "tactical" features is actually a deadlier rifle. I also showed them some "scary" looking "sniper" rifles that can hit a pie plate at 1000 yards that wouldn't be touched by an "AWB" and how that rifle was little different from a hunting rifle. Again, lots of unknowns on their part.

- I also had one guy that didn't believe that homicide rates with firearms used as a murder weapon have actually been decreasing. He brought up that we "have a problem" with violence with the use of firearms and said that we need to "do something." He didn't believe me when I told him there wasn't a rising issue and that the rates were actually dropping. So I showed him the fbi.gov database. You can't argue against that. Population has been increasing, and total number of deaths by firearms has been decreasing. I also took the opportunity to show him the break down of how many deaths are caused by rifles specifically vs. other objects and used that to discuss how an AWB isn't worth pursuing. Again, lots of unknowns on his side.

I've actually found that most people are open to logical discussion. It's when things get heated they shut down and stop listening. It normally turns into "show me the facts." So I show them the facts. They normally end up at least understanding where I'm coming from.

Just proves how ignorant these people are.......exempt the Ruger Mini-14 without folding stock....but one with a folding stock, that's a lethal SOB there and needs to be banned. These friggen geniuses amaze me.