How do I persuade my mom?...

[Garb]

My mom is a die hard Republican, even to the point that she will defend George Bush or John McCain. She acts like anyone who disagrees with their policies are crazy. She said about John McCain that "I think people are really sorry they didn't vote for him. Besides, it was his turn." WTF?! I love my mom, but her logic makes no sense. I am glad that I didn't vote for McCain, and I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils in the next election as well. Also, one night I made a comment about politicians not being trustworthy. She said "well I think Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney are pretty trustworth." It would never occur to her that ninety percent of Republicans are only saying that the spending is out of control to get re-elected. I've brought it up when I feel there's an opportunity and left it alone the rest of the time. I'm sure some of you have experience with this, so any advice?

 

[Joe Williams]

Has she logged on to any internet forums and publically denigrated you for your choice in politics?

 

[JDonhardt]

There are two things people are very, very narrow (closed) minded about: Religion, politics. The vast majority of people will never change their minds about either subject (or "see the light" as those who hold different beliefs would put it). This becomes especially true when they are discussing these subjects with non like minded people.

 

[Colt556]

Just curious who you like Garb? What are you trying to persuade her to do, think your way?

 

[groovatron]

My mom is a die hard Republican, even to the point that she will defend George Bush or John McCain. She acts like anyone who disagrees with their policies are crazy. She said about John McCain that "I think people are really sorry they didn't vote for him. Besides, it was his turn." WTF?! I love my mom, but her logic makes no sense. I am glad that I didn't vote for McCain, and I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils in the next election as well. Also, one night I made a comment about politicians not being trustworthy. She said "well I think Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney are pretty trustworth." It would never occur to her that ninety percent of Republicans are only saying that the spending is out of control to get re-elected. I've brought it up when I feel there's an opportunity and left it alone the rest of the time. I'm sure some of you have experience with this, so any advice?

You won't change her mind. It seems like she did a pretty good parenting job though because you're able to think for yourself. Thank her for that and cease from bringing political disussion up at Thanksgiving. As you get older, you'll probably find that you agree on more things then you once thought......it just didn't seem so at the time.

 

[Vince49]

Has she logged on to any internet forums and publically denigrated you for your choice in politics?

I'm out of rep! I hate that! Like being out of ammo! But I like your thinking!

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

I think Joe nailed this one.

My mom is a die hard Republican, even to the point that she will defend George Bush or John McCain. She acts like anyone who disagrees with their policies are crazy. She said about John McCain that "I think people are really sorry they didn't vote for him. Besides, it was his turn." WTF?! I love my mom, but her logic makes no sense. I am glad that I didn't vote for McCain, and I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils in the next election as well. Also, one night I made a comment about politicians not being trustworthy. She said "well I think Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney are pretty trustworth." It would never occur to her that ninety percent of Republicans are only saying that the spending is out of control to get re-elected. I've brought it up when I feel there's an opportunity and left it alone the rest of the time. I'm sure some of you have experience with this, so any advice?

Brother, the older logic often doesnt make sense to us, because we are unable to see it from they're point of view.

Before my daughter was born, I was on the fence about Abortion. After seeing her born, and what she is growing into, I cant think of a single reason why people kill they're babies.

I went from a fence sitter to a hardcore Pro-Lifer within a a nano click.
It's experiences in life which help mold our opinion.

Grow old, have your family and then look back on your younger years. You will say "WTF was I ever thinking.".

As far as changing your mother, dont try. Can you imagine how insulting it might be for a parent to hear they're own child tell them how politically stupid they may be, not that you do or even within that tone.

If I were you, I'd seriously just have a seat with mother, and talk about other subjects that you can both learn/teach other about without causing offense.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

My mother is very set in her political thinking. Some I agree with, some I disagree with. We are relatively open to each others ideas when talking, but sometimes we disagree.

My father is like an iceberg in his thinking when it comes to politics. We don't discuss them very much at all when we are together because I don't feel that we can actually discuss people or ideas. He is of the, "They're all out to screw me, why should I vote/call/write? It doesn't do a bit of good." We talk Standard-bred horse racing and leave it at that.

My brother listens in on political discussions at BBQ's and such, but never, and I do mean never, offers an opinion. He won't even tell me if he votes or not. If figure, if he is actually listening, he may be learning something (even if it is not in agreement with my view on politics).

 

[Fletch]

Dude, you've got the powdered butt problem. If someone has ever powdered your butt, they won't take your advice on anything important. Let it go.

 

[Bapak2ja]

My father is a blue dog Democrat and a union man. No power in heaven or earth will ever change his view of the Republicans. Over the years, I and both my sons have presented the facts on how the Democratic Party is not the Party of FDR and not a friend of the Constitution or the United States—that their only priority is perpetual power. Logic and truth are irrelevant. Dems are righteous and Republicans are evil.

I disagree with him, as do both my sons. We have learned to avoid political discussions. We have even stopped joking about it. It would be disrespectful to kid him about something we know he believes so deeply. Dad left Tennessee after returning from WW2. He was flat broke with a wife and two kids. He prospered. He retired at 57. He taught me and my boys to love God, work hard, be responsible for ourselves and our families. I admire him. I disagree with him, but I will not respect him.

I suggest the OP give his mother some respect. She has earned it. No intent to demean the OP; just offering a word of advice.

 

[trnsplntfrmohio]

Then your mom is also one of those people who think their vote makes a difference but won't make phone calls or host a get to know the candidate party right?

 

[Randall Flagg]

The brain works in weird ways friend, the most brainwashed among us are the highly religious and the spazzed out political nuts. It would be tough to explain in a couple of sentences, but suffice to say that our beliefs, be they right or wrong are what we cling to. Our brain has a self defense switch, that will discount any information that it deems harmful to our thought process(i.e. love is blind).

In closing, most people have a belief system(that was given to them from parents,peers,school,church,etc) that wont allow them to accept new information on the subject, even if the information is 100% truth.

Only when people cast aside their belief system for an idea system, can they be truly open minded and able to process information the correct way.

Most people never wake up from this sleep because who wants to believe their whole life has been based on lies from our own government be from both dems or repubs?

Splitting Americans down the middle with social issues that have no real bearing on our life or standard of living, while both hide the fact that our currency system was set up to fail, thus harming all of us.

It's funny that most think they have an open mind, but yet you can so clearly guess what their response will be to any given thread.

In closing, you will never change her mind, nor anyone Else's, it is up to the person to realize things are not what they seem, and then to go looking for truth them self, but as stated, most will never take that trip, secure in their own comfort zone and their vastly superior intelligence.

Only someone that has identified his beliefs and cast aside the ones that dont fit with reality can truly process information, belief systems are the biggest block to educating oneself.

Hope this helps you a little to understand, love your mom, and realize she will never change, unless she wants to change.

 

[Raye7r]

I like the way your mom thinks.

 

[TheLoneRaider]

My father is a blue dog Democrat and a union man.

Sounds like my Dad. Three tours in Vietnam. Came back to the US and joined the Teamsters Union. he retired and now sends thousands to the Dems yearly. I told him he's paying to have his rights taking away and he blew up lol

 

[Garb]

My father is a blue dog Democrat and a union man. No power in heaven or earth will ever change his view of the Republicans. Over the years, I and both my sons have presented the facts on how the Democratic Party is not the Party of FDR and not a friend of the Constitution or the United States—that their only priority is perpetual power. Logic and truth are irrelevant. Dems are righteous and Republicans are evil.

I disagree with him, as do both my sons. We have learned to avoid political discussions. We have even stopped joking about it. It would be disrespectful to kid him about something we know he believes so deeply. Dad left Tennessee after returning from WW2. He was flat broke with a wife and two kids. He prospered. He retired at 57. He taught me and my boys to love God, work hard, be responsible for ourselves and our families. I admire him. I disagree with him, but I will not respect him.

I suggest the OP give his mother some respect. She has earned it. No intent to demean the OP; just offering a word of advice.

You're right... And she actually does agree with me on most things, so I guess I've got it good haha. I just don't like the direction the country is going in, and it drives me nuts when people think that republicans are good and democrats are bad. Also, I had no intention of degrading my mom by posting this, and I did get some good advice on it so thanks.

 

[rambone]

My father is a blue dog Democrat and a union man. No power in heaven or earth will ever change his view of the Republicans. Over the years, I and both my sons have presented the facts on how the Democratic Party is not the Party of FDR and not a friend of the Constitution or the United States—that their only priority is perpetual power. Logic and truth are irrelevant. Dems are righteous and Republicans are evil.

It might make more sense to say that today's Democrats are not like JFK.

The modern Democrats worship FDR and all his socialist policies. FDR has a legacy of being the worst president on record. People like him because they credit his decision making throughout WWII. But he was a devoted statist and sent us down the failed path we are on now. The entitlement mindset in America was practically born through FDR.

FDR outlawed ownership of gold and confiscated American's privately owned precious metals. Then there were the American concentration camps set up for people of Japanese descent. Quite an American hero?





Back on track here.... find out the principles that you and your mom share, and then demonstrate how Bush/McCain have violated them. She should at least be able to admit that they were the lesser of two evils... not the worst but still wrong for America.

We are moving toward total government control, whether the President is walking us there or sprinting us there.

 

[Randall Flagg]

It might make more sense to say that today's Democrats are not like JFK.

The modern Democrats worship FDR and all his socialist policies. FDR has a legacy of being the worst president on record. People like him because they credit his decision making throughout WWII. But he was a devoted statist and sent us down the failed path we are on now. The entitlement mindset in America was practically born through FDR.

FDR outlawed ownership of gold and confiscated American's privately owned precious metals. Then there were the American concentration camps set up for people of Japanese descent. Quite an American hero?





Back on track here.... find out the principles that you and your mom share, and then demonstrate how Bush/McCain have violated them. She should at least be able to admit that they were the lesser of two evils... not the worst but still wrong for America.

We are moving toward total government control, whether the President is walking us there or sprinting us there.

Good post and spot on about the parties being one and the same. From this graph,

you can't tell a difference, can you? This chart(like all hockey stick charts when talking about exponential growth)is going to end very badly, very soon.

Both parties main goal has been to drive up the debt and then default on it, which is what we are seeing now. Only 5 times in the last 100 years has a president balanced the budget, only 2 years out of the last 100 has the debt been paid down.

This is the biggest problem we face.

 

[historian]

Good post and spot on about the parties being one and the same. From this graph,

you can't tell a difference, can you? This chart(like all hockey stick charts when talking about exponential growth)is going to end very badly, very soon.

Both parties main goal has been to drive up the debt and then default on it, which is what we are seeing now. Only 5 times in the last 100 years has a president balanced the budget, only 2 years out of the last 100 has the debt been paid down.

This is the biggest problem we face.

While the debt has increased, one must also take into account inflation, particularly the massive inflation of the late 70s early 80s into account, which means that the debt after that inflation is worth less per $ than the debt before that bout of inflation.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

Today's Democrat movement has more in common with Communism than Patriotic, Pro-American foundation - Which is obvious.

 

[Bapak2ja]

My father is a blue dog Democrat and a union man. No power in heaven or earth will ever change his view of the Republicans. Over the years, I and both my sons have presented the facts on how the Democratic Party is not the Party of FDR and not a friend of the Constitution or the United States—that their only priority is perpetual power. Logic and truth are irrelevant. Dems are righteous and Republicans are evil.

I disagree with him, as do both my sons. We have learned to avoid political discussions. We have even stopped joking about it. It would be disrespectful to kid him about something we know he believes so deeply. Dad left Tennessee after returning from WW2. He was flat broke with a wife and two kids. He prospered. He retired at 57. He taught me and my boys to love God, work hard, be responsible for ourselves and our families. I admire him. I disagree with him, but I will not respect him.

I suggest the OP give his mother some respect. She has earned it. No intent to demean the OP; just offering a word of advice.

Just noticed I made a serious error in my original post. The line in red above should read: but I will not DISrespect him.

I respect my father, even though I disagree with his politics. Sorry for the confusion!!