How many public school teachers have stepped up and asked the question?

[j706]

As I have posted on here before I know of a school district that has a number of armed bus drivers. They like to keep it hush hush so the sheeple don't freak but they are there.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I guess you could even say that parents dont need to be authorized at all as bringing your kids to school or any other parental activity would fall under "participate in any other activity authorized by a school."

No, that would not work unless they had been employed or authorized. Least not in reading the way it is written

 

[Sylvain]

No, that would not work unless they had been employed or authorized. Least not in reading the way it is written

That's why we have lawyers.

 

[Bunnykid68]

That's why we have lawyers.

And that is what Washington or one of them other smart men warned us about many moons ago.

 

[Lex Concord]

Well, me too. But we're special.

I've been called special all my life...I don't think it's ever been well intentioned though

 

[rambone]

Is there not a Federal law that governs carrying on school property as well?

 

[88GT]

I've been called special all my life...I don't think it's ever been well intentioned though

I chuckled as I wrote that because I thought to myself, "Hey, this is about education. Does that make us special ed?"

Horrible, I know, but funny nonetheless.

 

[griffin]

Is there not a Federal law that governs carrying on school property as well?

If you are licensed by a state (e.g., LTCH), you are exempt from the federal K-12 gun free zone restriction in that state.

 

[Bunnykid68]

If you are licensed by a state (e.g., LTCH), you are exempt from the federal K-12 gun free zone restriction in that state.

But in just as much trouble by the State correct?

 

[CountryBoy1981]

Is there not a Federal law that governs carrying on school property as well?

It is my understanding that the federal law banning possession of a firearm was struck down as unconstitutional (violated the Commerce Clause) by the Supreme Court:

"The possession of a gun in a local school zone is in no sense an economic activity that might, through repetition elsewhere, substantially affect any sort of interstate commerce." United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549, 567 (1995).

 

[El T]

I talked to my wife about this, although she doesn't carry.

Schools should have at least some minimum amount of protection. They rely almost solely on the "hide" the kids scenario, which is fine. I would think that they could easily allow teachers to carry "blinding" flashlights at a minimum to buy some time.

 

[lucky4034]

I spoke to an elementary teacher last night (shooting buddy of mine) and he has already approached his principle and is exploring the option of addressing his super intendant for permission to be trained and take on this responsibility.

His wife (who teaches at the same school and is a gun owner) is also interested as well as a couple of other teachers.

He is willing to pay for his own equipment and training...

 

[lucky4034]

I talked to my wife about this, although she doesn't carry.

Schools should have at least some minimum amount of protection. They rely almost solely on the "hide" the kids scenario, which is fine. I would think that they could easily allow teachers to carry "blinding" flashlights at a minimum to buy some time.

or pepper spray or baseball bats or something...

BTW... the teacher I mention above has long had a baseball bat mounted in his room.

I asked him if teachers can do that... and he said "It's a prop"

 

[Birds Away]

I talked to my wife about this, although she doesn't carry.

Schools should have at least some minimum amount of protection. They rely almost solely on the "hide" the kids scenario, which is fine. I would think that they could easily allow teachers to carry "blinding" flashlights at a minimum to buy some time.

Yes, attached to the rail underneath a handgun.

 

[M1 carbine dad]

So, am I reading the Indiana law correctly which allows teachers to carry if they get permission from Superintendents or Principles?

Great idea, wonder how many schools in Indiana will actually do it.

 

[jedi]

Strangely, a not too liberal reading of the school property carry regulations in Indiana "already allow it."

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has beenemployed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or
(B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function;
to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school.
(3) A person who:
(A) may legally possess a firearm; and
(B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

These days, all teachers and administration are to act as security, they perform and participate in school functions, and participate in any/all other authorized school activities.

I'm positive it's against the spirit of the law - but doesn't seem to violate the letter.

Good luck winning in court, though. *sigh*

-J-

We had an instance in LAKE COUNTY indiana eariler this year where a bus-aid had a gun on the bus while on school property. The gun fell out of his pocket (ie. no holster). The aid was just fired and no additional action was taken.

Why?

Because per the IC above the law already allows those employeed by the school to be expempt from not carrying. The DA's office did not want to take this to court and have the case go against them so they just fired him instead. To date their is no court case on the subject to clarify it but reading the IC it is in place. Granted I'm sure that was not how the law was meant to be written.

 

[M1 carbine dad]

but.....

What about this:

IC 35-47-9-2
Possession of firearms on school property, at school function, or on school bus; felony
Sec. 2. A person who possesses a firearm:
(1) in or on school property;
(2) in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function; or
(3) on a school bus;
commits a Class D felony.

 

[IndyDave1776]

How does that saying go... "Its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission."

I think you are looking for 'it's only illegal if you get caught'.

 

[jedi]

but.....

What about this:

IC 35-47-9-2
Possession of firearms on school property, at school function, or on school bus; felony
Sec. 2. A person who possesses a firearm:
(1) in or on school property;
(2) in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function; or
(3) on a school bus;
commits a Class D felony.

That does not apply to the "exmpt" class.

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter

 

[tyrajam]

I work at a school and I can tell you how this would turn out in 99% of cases. Teachers, educators, and school administrators are among the most left leaning, anti gun nuts on the planet. I don't want to paint with a broad brush, I know several people who aren't, but the education system has been taken over by the liberals. Just look at what the teacher's unions back and what they fund. Good luck getting permission from a school.