HUSSEIN Obama ANTI-GUN

[Montana Patriot]

To all the fine gunowning patriots of Indiana, i am writing this to you to get every gun owner in Indiana to vote against Hussein Obama as he is a very Socialist Anti-gunner from ILL. Back in 1996 Obama introduced a bill to completly OUTLAW ALL GUN OWNERSHIP in the state of ILL. This man stated that if elected he would institute a law to ban the legal ownership of guns to all americans. This is a very very Dangerous Socialistic person who will say anything to get elected. In fact Hillary Clinton isn't any better as she also stated that she would reinstate the assault weapons ban if she is elected. I don't know the answer as i am getting sick and tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils but i see John Mcain as the only answer unfortunatly. Here in Montana we have given the US Supreme court notice that no gun law will be passed in Montana that violates our state constitution. Any one with any questions can contact me at any time. By the way my Gr grandfather and aunt who fought in the civil war is buried in Valpariso IND and i have many cousins and friends living there and have been to Indiana many times. Thanks for your time.

Montana Patriot billburgan@hotmail.com

 

[clickclickboom]

save the "hussein" fear mongering :rolleyesedit:

 

[4sarge]

save the "Hussein" fear mongering :rolleyesedit:

I'm not quite sure that using a person's legal name qualifies as fear mongering. It would be easy enough to have it legally changed. I do understand Senator Obama's reluctance to be compared to the savage dictator but it is his legal name, like it or not. With a 20 year mentor the likes of Jeremiah Wright it is hard to decipher what Obama's actual views are other than, Change. Change to Socialism, Secular Progressive views, or ? Obama is definitely anti gun and seems to lack the values that most citizens hold dear. I'm not into wealth redistribution or the continuation of the great welfare society that we have been subjected to.

Next thing you know, someone will say it's racist to criticize anything about his elitist views because Obama is black.

Whatever his name or race, he is elitist (Obama) and definitely not a protector of the Constitution, gun rights or individual freedoms and if elected a one term President.

 

[melensdad]

OK, I'm not sure if using the name HUSSAIN is fear mongering or not, but it is used to evoke anti-Islamic emotions.

As for Obama, his a a through and through ANTI-GUN ULTRA-LIBERAL and no matter how much he attempts to hide it behind his comments about 'sporting traditions' he is the same senator who wanted to ban gun stores within 5 miles of any school or any public park. That would have outlawed almost every guns store in the nation. He is a also the senator who wanted to outlaw the self-defense with a weapon law in Illinois when a Wilmette resident used a legally purchased gun to defend himself and his family from a burglar in who broke into his house for a second time in a week.

Obama is clearly a liar and an anti-gunner.

As for the backhanded attacks and inuendo against his religion, maybe I'm old enough to know some Muslims who are good people and not members of the radical nut wing of Islam, so I can live without those bitch slaps using his name. JMO

 

[TomN]

Obama is the enemy of Americans who value their rights. I can't believe all the sheeple that are being led down the path with him. It's sad.

 

[melensdad]

Obama is the enemy of Americans who value their rights. I can't believe all the sheeple that are being led down the path with him. It's sad.

Many people don't value their rights. They prefer government handouts and are willing to abdicate rights and responsibilities that go along with rights

 

[TomN]

Many people don't value their rights. They prefer government handouts and are willing to abdicate rights and responsibilities that go along with rights

I know. Makes you sick doesn't it?

 

[hunter480]

OK, I'm not sure if using the name HUSSAIN is fear mongering or not, but it is used to evoke anti-Islamic emotions.

As for Obama, his a a through and through ANTI-GUN ULTRA-LIBERAL and no matter how much he attempts to hide it behind his comments about 'sporting traditions' he is the same senator who wanted to ban gun stores within 5 miles of any school or any public park. That would have outlawed almost every guns store in the nation. He is a also the senator who wanted to outlaw the self-defense with a weapon law in Illinois when a Wilmette resident used a legally purchased gun to defend himself and his family from a burglar in who broke into his house for a second time in a week.

Obama is clearly a liar and an anti-gunner.

As for the backhanded attacks and inuendo against his religion, maybe I'm old enough to know some Muslims who are good people and not members of the radical nut wing of Islam, so I can live without those bitch slaps using his name. JMO

I don`t want to hijack the thread, so I`ll be brief. But IF you truly DO know "good" muslims, and I question whether or not this is just a case of saying whatever to make a point, truthful or not, then you`re a minority.

I`ve not seen nor heard even ONE condemnation by any muslim group, about what happened on 9-11 in this Country. So after seeing the footage of bodies falling off the Trade Center Towers, I say, any anti-muslim sentiment anyone has here, is justified.

 

[TRWXXA]

OK, I'm not sure if using the name HUSSAIN is fear mongering or not, but it is used to evoke anti-Islamic emotions.

Naaaahhh... I use Obama's middle name to evoke anti-Obama emotions.

Many people don't value their rights. They prefer government handouts and are willing to abdicate rights and responsibilities that go along with rights

"Those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security." -- Richard Jackson (probably)

The quote was often trotted out when the war on terror was initiated, referring to the added levels security imposed upon us. I recently realized that the author was probably not talking about something as obvious as all that, but something more insidious like universal health care, mortgage bailouts, and other social programs. Why risk failure in a free-market society, when the nanny-state can take care of all your worries?

 

[melensdad]

I don`t want to hijack the thread, so I`ll be brief. But IF you truly DO know "good" muslims. . .

I do, and I have been with some that have condemned the 9-11 attacks. I have even prayed with some for peace, for healing, and for those who are radicals so that they can see their errors, despite the fact that I am Catholic and they practice Islam.

If you don't know any then you need to go out and meet some.

Last time I checked, this forum was to bring together Indiana gun owners to talk about guns. If this is the forums for lily-white Indiana males can come to talk about trashing religions then I am in the wrong place.

"Those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security." -- Richard Jackson (probably)

The quote was often trotted out when the war on terror was initiated, referring to the added levels security imposed upon us. I recently realized that the author was probably not talking about something as obvious as all that, but something more insidious like universal health care, mortgage bailouts, and other social programs. Why risk failure in a free-market society, when the nanny-state can take care of all your worries?

The test of a real Constitutional Conservative is to see if he/she can discern the meanings of those words. Nice to see you join the group.

 

[hunter480]

I do, and I have been with some that have condemned the 9-11 attacks. I have even prayed with some for peace, for healing, and for those who are radicals so that they can see their errors, despite the fact that I am Catholic and they practice Islam.

If you don't know any then you need to go out and meet some.

Last time I checked, this forum was to bring together Indiana gun owners to talk about guns. If this is the forums for lily-white Indiana males can come to talk about trashing religions then I am in the wrong place.


The test of a real Constitutional Conservative is to see if he/she can discern the meanings of those words. Nice to see you join the group.

Not my intent at all to trash anyone-I, however, have the same right to share my opinions as anyone else here, even you.

And thanks ever so much for defining a REAL conservative for me.

 

[Pami]

I do, and I have been with some that have condemned the 9-11 attacks. I have even prayed with some for peace, for healing, and for those who are radicals so that they can see their errors, despite the fact that I am Catholic and they practice Islam.

If you don't know any then you need to go out and meet some.

Last time I checked, this forum was to bring together Indiana gun owners to talk about guns. If this is the forums for lily-white Indiana males can come to talk about trashing religions then I am in the wrong place.

As often as I disagree with you Mel, I definitely agree with you on this point.

 

[quicksdraw]

I can honestly say that I work with several Moslems that have denounced the 9-11 attacks and are every bit as decent as anyone on this board.
But I do believe that electing Obama would be a major disaster.

 

[4sarge]

OK, I'm not sure if using the name HUSSAIN is fear mongering or not, but it is used to evoke anti-Islamic emotions.

As for Obama, his a a through and through ANTI-GUN ULTRA-LIBERAL and no matter how much he attempts to hide it behind his comments about 'sporting traditions' he is the same senator who wanted to ban gun stores within 5 miles of any school or any public park. That would have outlawed almost every guns store in the nation. He is a also the senator who wanted to outlaw the self-defense with a weapon law in Illinois when a Wilmette resident used a legally purchased gun to defend himself and his family from a burglar in who broke into his house for a second time in a week.

Obama is clearly a liar and an anti-gunner.

As for the backhanded attacks and innuendo against his religion, maybe I'm old enough to know some Muslims who are good people and not members of the radical nut wing of Islam, so I can live without those bitch slaps using his name. JMO

I reread the original post and no where in the post was said any negative about Muslims. Obama claims to be a Christian Not a Muslim. His legal middle name is Hussein. Melsdad made a giant leap from the use of his legal name to an anti Muslim diatribe. If you find offense to the use of his middle name then I believe that the problem lies within you.

I would hope that we all can agree that he (Obama) definitely is anti gun and not for States Rights.

Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (born August 4, 1961) is the junior United States Senator from Illinois and a candidate for the Democratic Party's nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. He married in 1992 and has two daughters. Obama has written two books: a memoir of his youth titled Dreams from My Father, and a personal commentary on U.S. politics titled The Audacity of Hope.
Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother, he passed most of his childhood and adolescent years in Honolulu, Hawaii. At age six, he moved to Jakarta where he lived with his mother and Indonesian stepfather for four years. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and lawyer before serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004.

Senator Obama is not my choice for President, not because of his race or religion but because of his anti gun, elitists wealth redistribution ideas. Change is not always for the good.

According to Senator Obama, I will keep my firearms and the right to carry but yours will be gone. I'm fighting for every American's 2nd Amendment Right because I know that after they take your rights, mine will soon be gone also. IMO Obama is divisive and has used race and class division to propel himself into the national spotlight. Politicians are not necessarily our friends whether they be Republican or Democrat.

If you feel that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is the best man (or woman) for the job as president of the United States then by all means vote for him. But, he will take your gun rights and he will be at the forefront of social legislation that will alter the course of history of the United States. I do not feel that this is in the best interest of the country but a person should exercise their right to vote for the candidate of their choice.

Please Vote Wisely

 

[melensdad]

I reread the original post and no where in the post was said any negative about Muslims. Obama claims to be a Christian Not a Muslim. His legal middle name is Hussein. Melsdad made a giant leap from the use of his legal name to an anti Muslim diatribe.

Yes I did make a leap, but based on the capitalization/emphasis that it was intended to be used as a 'guilt by association' type of insult. So I don't think it was a GIANT leap. I'm a moderator on another forum and a member of a couple others, on every forum where people put emphasis on his middle name it is an Islamic slam. Personally I think Obama is a lying sack of crap and his positions on everything from guns to socialized medicine (he doesn't call it that) are reason enough to vote against him.

He can hang himself with his own words, we don't need slam him for his name or somehow disparage all Muslims because I know some Muslims that are smart enough to know that Obama is the WRONG candidate for the US.

 

[turnandshoot4]

Naaaahhh... I use Obama's middle name to evoke anti-Obama emotions.


"Those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security." -- Richard Jackson (probably)

The quote was often trotted out when the war on terror was initiated, referring to the added levels security imposed upon us. I recently realized that the author was probably not talking about something as obvious as all that, but something more insidious like universal health care, mortgage bailouts, and other social programs. Why risk failure in a free-market society, when the nanny-state can take care of all your worries?

Ok, I believe your quote was Ben Franklin. I agree that social programs could be an underlying way of taking away liberties. That being said, the laws passes shortly after 9/11 are HUGE STEPS BACK IN RIGHTS. The patriot act was one of the worst laws passed in this nation ever regarding civil rights. They used "fear mongering" to get these through. There is another one right now (HR 1955 I believe) that will probibly make it through the senate. Keep in mind. The founding fathers fought a revolution over a 1% tax. We just got that upped here in Indiana without a blink.

 

[GetA2J]

The founding fathers fought a revolution over a 1% tax. We just got that upped here in Indiana without a blink.

THAT is a little misleading. Our declaration of independence cites no less than 27 infractions that our founders wanted addressed and these requests made in the most humble of terms met with more turmoil and injury from the tyrant that ruled England at that time.

 

[turnandshoot4]

I understand what you are saying. There was no choice in the matter for us though. Property taxes are going up or sales tax is going up. Did you want it coming or going? You are getting it either way.

 

[GetA2J]

Actually as I thought about it. I came to this conclusion.
IF I support higher sales taxes (to keep lower property taxes) then "I" choose to pay the tax or not. IF I want something....I can either choose to purchase this item or not.
If property taxes continue to spike upwards I may very well lose my home. the american dream.... and without a choice in the matter.
I prefer to make decisions that I have MORE control over.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Sales taxes, instead of income or property taxes, are the way to go. I recently sent a letter to all my members in congress explaining that point.
With sales tax it becomes an across the board even tax. Everyone buys stuff rich, poor, middleclass, drug dealers, prostitutes and politicians. The 40% of americans who pay nothing and sometimes get back money they never put in comes to a halt.
Owning a home becomes a reality because the government can't keep demanding payment (taxes). However they may still take it by eminent domain