I just came across a good deal on a couple used knives and I think I cured my need for now The knife that I have been wanting is the Marc Lee Glory Knife by Benchmade but I think I have gotten something better for me. I just bought a Tops Dart and it feels awesome. It took me 5 minutes after opening it to start chopping on boxes and then out to the yard to play This may be my new bag knife instead of my ESEE 5