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  • KevinH

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    You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your
    > bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear,
    > you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken
    > into your house and are moving your way. With your heart
    > pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your
    > shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward
    > the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two
    > shadows.
    >
    > One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the
    > intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the
    > shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.
    > One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the
    > front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone
    > to call police, you know you're in trouble.
    >
    > In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and
    > the few that are privately owned are so stringently
    > regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never
    > registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second
    > burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder
    > and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your
    > attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will
    > probably plea the case down to manslaughter.
    >
    > "What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.
    >
    > "Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if
    > that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be
    > out in seven."
    >
    > The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local
    > newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric
    > vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as
    > choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an
    > unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the
    > article, authorities acknowledge that both
    > "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But
    > the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue
    > Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been
    > transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type
    > pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The
    > national media picks it up, then the international media.
    > The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.
    >
    > Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and
    > he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that
    > your home has been burglarized several times in the past and
    > that you've been critical of local police for their lack
    > of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last
    > break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared
    > next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that
    > you were lying in wait for the burglars.
    >
    > A few months later, you go to trial. The charges
    > haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently
    > predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the
    > injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a
    > picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take
    > long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
    >
    > The judge sentences you to life in prison.
    >
    > This case really happened.
    >
    > On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk,
    > England, killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April,
    > 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.
    >
    > How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in
    > the once great British Empire ?
    >
    > It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly
    > reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons
    > and established that handgun sales were to be made only to
    > those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded
    > licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms
    > except shotguns.
    >
    > Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of
    > any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration
    > of all shotguns.
    >
    > Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest
    > after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a
    > mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle (AK-47),
    > walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the
    > smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.
    >
    > The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years
    > of "gun control", demanded even tougher
    > restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns
    > was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)
    >
    > Nine years later, at Dunblane, Scotland, Thomas Hamilton
    > used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a
    > teacher at a public school.
    >
    > For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as
    > mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a
    > real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day
    > after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense
    > of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The
    > Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the
    > few sidearm still owned by private citizens.
    >
    > During the years in which the British government
    > incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a
    > citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen
    > as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to
    > people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was
    > no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who
    > shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the
    > real criminals were released.
    >
    > Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was
    > quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law
    > into their own hands."
    >
    > All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous
    > times, and several elderly people were severely injured in
    > beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences.
    > Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of
    > his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.
    >
    > When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned
    > handguns were given three months to turn them over to local
    > authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed
    > the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and
    > threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't
    > comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly
    > 200,000 handguns from private citizens.
    >
    > How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had
    > been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.
    >
    > Sound familiar?
    >
    > WAKE UP AMERICA, THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE
    > SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
    >
    > "..it does not require a majority to prevail, but
    > rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires
    > in people's minds.."
    >
    > --Samuel Adams




     

    NateIU10

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    Good article, and there are so many points on the way to the ban that mirror our own legislation, one must hope that it doesn't continue this trend...
     

    rcuhljr

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    Not to nit pick, but he fired multiple times at them when they where most likely fleeing and lied about when/where he fired at them, which probably didn't help convince the jury he felt in danger when he acted. In addition the life sentence was rescinded and he's out of jail. He actually used to have a shotgun license to own a gun, but lost it after shooting at someone who was driving away who he thought had stolen apples from his orchard.
     

    10ring

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    Not to nit pick, but he fired multiple times at them when they where most likely fleeing and lied about when/where he fired at them, which probably didn't help convince the jury he felt in danger when he acted. In addition the life sentence was rescinded and he's out of jail. He actually used to have a shotgun license to own a gun, but lost it after shooting at someone who was driving away who he thought had stolen apples from his orchard.

    Not to nit pick, but two guys broke into his home. :rolleyes:

    Do the same in my house and until your through the threshold of the door, I'm blasting.
     

    danielocean03

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    I understand that he may have twisted his story in some manner, but he was protecting himself and his property, I would've shot them both, hopefully killing both of them. He shouldn't have been penalized for protecting himself. Absolutely ridiculous.
     

    jedi

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    I understand that he may have twisted his story in some manner, but he was protecting himself and his property, I would've shot them both, hopefully killing both of them. He shouldn't have been penalized for protecting himself. Absolutely ridiculous.

    <<In english accent>>
    Not ridiculous at all mate

    <<Back to American talk>>
    You see it took almost 50+ years or 2 generators to disarm the English people. The ANTIs know this. You and me we will fight this but our children and our children's children are being brainwashed into thinking guns are bad, guns are evil, it's okay to limit guns.

    While we push to stop the AWB we also have to push to promote education on guns and show the next generations that guns are fun and safe.

    We have to think long, long term (30, 50 years from now).
     

    Jack Ryan

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    Shovel, Shovel, I have a backhoe and lots of pristine secluded woods ;)

    Heck if you've got a back hoe just put the evidence under the creek bed where even the dogs couldn't find it and it won't leave a depression over the grave.
     

    rhino

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    I'm feeling nitpicky ... so hang on.

    The recent "castle doctrine" law was somewhat redundant. There has been no duty to retreat inside or outside of your home in Indiana since at least the time right after the War Between the States. The law was pretty clear about when you can use deadly force and included such details as situations involving someone violating the "curtilage" of your home. We had a "castle doctrine" already, but the recently minted law just emphasized it.

    The real benefit of the castle doctrine law is that now you can't be (successfully) sued for defending yourself. The law prohibits civil litigation if you've used deadly force lawfully. That's a very good thing. Sure, people can file a suit for any reason they want, but ultimately they won't be successful in this regard.
     

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