Illinois CCL for non-residents?

[echoagain]

Anyone have any knowledge of whether Illinois offers a concealed carry license to non-residents and if anyone in the Indy area is doing classes? I'm not having much luck finding good info online.

Thanks!

 

[lonehoosier]

Hawaii is the only on right now.

 

[Indynic]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...LNBfZrTHHJ88_teSA&sig2=nAjlaxE0gGeNNB05AZ91iA

Refer to page 3. It says there are four states eligible to apply for a non-resident permit.

 

[Indynic]

But, it also states that you have to take 16 hour IL course and qualify with an ISP certified instructor. Seems to me if you have to take the training that IL residents take, why would it matter what your home state does?

Probably all part of making it as difficult as possible for citizens to exercise their rights.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

But, it also states that you have to take 16 hour IL course and qualify with an ISP certified instructor. Seems to me if you have to take the training that IL residents take, why would it matter what your home state does?

The background check.

 

[HubertGummer]

Probably all part of making it as difficult as possible for citizens to exercise their rights.

well obviously its working for them...look how low the gun crime is around Chicago...duh

 

[TCLe]

Your best bet is to use your LTCH and fanny pack carry or something similar. Easiest way to be legal.

 

[lonehoosier]

Your best bet is to use your LTCH and fanny pack carry or something similar. Easiest way to be legal.

Need some more info on this.

 

[output]

Need some more info on this.

It is called container carry. This is still a "grey area" there is case law, a guys sued and won when he was caught at work. The problem is he was an IL resident with FOID card. If you get busted you will not have a FOID or be an Illinois resident. Can you still claim you were transporting? You might, or might not be arrested.

Link below: Container Transport aka Container Carry - Illinois Right to Carry - IllinoisCarry.com

Also,

There are 2 opinions that declare the console a "case"

People v. Holmes, Ill. Supreme Court, Docket # 109130, Opinion filed 4/7/11. The defendant owner/driver of a motor vehicle, an Indiana resident who had been issued a carry license by his home state, was stopped by Chicago police officers for a traffic violation. Pursuant to a search, a 9 mm handgun was recovered from a backseat armrest of the car. The Court noted that “[t]he armrest separated the two back seats and contained a storage compartment that closed with a latch. The compartment could be folded up into the seat or left in a down position.

Illinois State Supreme Court found for the defendant in this case.

The Illinois Supreme Court ruled on 10/8/2009 (Docket # 106367 People v Diggins) that the Center Console of a vehicle was a case and a firearm could be carried in the closed Center Console.

http://www.illinoisc...&num=37&print=1

 

[t-squared]

This blog thinks that unloaded fannypack carry is legal for non-residents....

GUN WATCH: IL: Non-resident Carry While Traveling

 

[output]

This blog thinks that unloaded fannypack carry is legal for non-residents....

GUN WATCH: IL: Non-resident Carry While Traveling

He also says:

I am not a lawyer, not do I play one on the Internets. The links above take you to the law, so you can decide for yourself what it says. It is likely that case law and the courts will provide further clarification.

 

[t-squared]

While I dig the guy's reasoning, I'm not gonna risk carrying outside of our vehicle until I get a more reliable "good to go".

I e-mailed the ISP with this specific question and am waiting on a reply...

 

[TCLe]

It is called container carry. This is still a "grey area" there is case law, a guys sued and won when he was caught at work. The problem is he was an IL resident with FOID card. If you get busted you will not have a FOID or be an Illinois resident. Can you still claim you were transporting? You might, or might not be arrested.

I had been told that you may use your state's carry permit in Illinois as a FOID card, though I can't seem to find any laws actually stating as such.

 

[t-squared]

I had been told that you may use your state's carry permit in Illinois as a FOID card, though I can't seem to find any laws actually stating as such.

https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Faq.aspx

 

[t-squared]

Here is my question to, and subsequent reply from, the ISP.

TOPIC - QUESTION
Other Inquiry -
I am a resident of Indiana. I have a LTCH (License to Carry a Hangun)
issued to me by the Indiana State Police. Is it legal for a non-resident such as myself,
who exempted from the FOID requirement due to my non-resident status, to
carry a non-loaded hangun in a case or container in Illinois?


​In order to comply with the Criminal Code, the Wildlife Code, and the
Firearm Owner?s Identification Act, when transporting a firearm, it must
be:
1. broken down in a non-functioning state; or
2. not immediately accessible; or
3. unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping
box, or other container.

The Illinois State Police is prohibited from offering Legal advice.

Respectfully,
Illinois State Police
Firearms Services Bureau
Concealed Carry Unit

 

[philo]

Here is my question to, and subsequent reply from, the ISP.

TOPIC - QUESTION
Other Inquiry -
I am a resident of Indiana. I have a LTCH (License to Carry a Hangun)
issued to me by the Indiana State Police. Is it legal for a non-resident such as myself,
who exempted from the FOID requirement due to my non-resident status, to
carry a non-loaded hangun in a case or container in Illinois?


​In order to comply with the Criminal Code, the Wildlife Code, and the
Firearm Owner?s Identification Act, when transporting a firearm, it must
be:
1. broken down in a non-functioning state; or
2. not immediately accessible; or
3. unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping
box, or other container.

The Illinois State Police is prohibited from offering Legal advice.

Respectfully,
Illinois State Police
Firearms Services Bureau
Concealed Carry Unit

So, condition butterscotch would be good to go.

 

[SparkyXD]

You know what's screwed up is that I had an IL CC license but it becomes null and void once you swap your drivers license. Took all the classes and qualified but now that I moved I guess all that training is forgotten. Glad I moved to a gun friendly state.

 

[output]

You know what's screwed up is that I had an IL CC license but it becomes null and void once you swap your drivers license. Took all the classes and qualified but now that I moved I guess all that training is forgotten. Glad I moved to a gun friendly state.

Don't feel too bad. Me and my wife are in the same boat. Training is not the issue. The problem is the Illinois State Police and their interpretation of "substantially similar" and" mental health reporting." as it was written into the law. Since Indiana's does not subscribe to mental health reporting they will not add Indiana to the list. Hawaii does...and so they are on the list.

There is a lawsuit that has been filed. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=52501

 

[HKUSP]

Don't feel too bad. Me and my wife are in the same boat. Training is not the issue. The problem is the Illinois State Police and their interpretation of "substantially similar" and" mental health reporting." as it was written into the law. Since Indiana's does not subscribe to mental health reporting they will not add Indiana to the list. Hawaii does...and so they are on the list.

There is a lawsuit that has been filed. Culp vs Madigan - Lawsuit Filed On Behalf of Non-Residents - Judicial Second Amendment Case Discussion - IllinoisCarry.com

Hawaii. What a joke. I'm sure the Hawaiians are lined up around the block (all 3 of them with LTCHs) to take advantage of this amazing offer.

 

[output]

What really bothers me is we keep winning the court battles...and they keep trying to deny our rights. It's a circus act.