Indiana Republican State Convention

[ray d]

Some dont like it but Rambone tells the truth .He is a true patriot.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Some dont like it but Rambone tells the truth .He is a true patriot.

I'll go as far as saying Rambone tells the truth as he sees it, but he's a tinfoil hatter for the most part.

 

[Jerry C]

I am a member of the teaparty and an elected delegate. Just got home from the Indiana Convention. I can vouch for Rambone. He is not exaggerating. Everything he says is fact. I watched it happen and was shocked.

I wish the members of the teaparty group I belong to had gotten the information about the "secret ballot" nomination procedure sooner so we could have helped more. As it was, nobody OTHER THAN the most RINO (and I mean ULTRA RINO) Republicans who recited their "prepared scripts" were allowed to say a word. I stood up and tried to ask a question and the District Chairmen said that Requests (or points) of Information were NOT allowed and to shut up and sit down.

It was very disappointing to be elected to be a delegate, to spend all that money on a hotel room, the trip down there and my delegate fee and not to be allowed to have a real vote or even to ask a question.

I am also a tea party member--9th dist. I've had it with the republican elitist, these suckers are just as crooked as the liberals.

 

[Expat]

It sounds like the county chairman job is the one right thinking people need to work toward getting then.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'll go as far as saying Rambone tells the truth as he sees it, but he's a tinfoil hatter for the most part.

There is no denying that Rambone is on the edge relative to most people, but I would also remind you that prior to every major 'incident' in history there has been at least one person, usually more than one, declaring impending catastrophe only to hear the echo of charges ranging from being alarmist to being insane.

In many regards, I could be asccused of being of the tinfoil hat persuasion, not because I read that Alex Jones posted that "Obama took a s**t and wiped with his LEFT hand!" but rather because most cataclysmic historical events come with generally similar trends, and we are presently seeing these trends unfold. Einstein famously observed that the definition of insanity is repetitively doing the same things while expecting different results. It would serve us well to learn this lesson in the academic sense before having to learn it by experience. If recognizing the signs of impending problems and preferring to fix the problems before a catastrophic failure of the nation takes place makes me a member of the tinfoil hat brigade, so be it.

 

[Bunnykid68]

There is no denying that Rambone is on the edge relative to most people, but I would also remind you that prior to every major 'incident' in history there has been at least one person, usually more than one, declaring impending catastrophe only to hear the echo of charges ranging from being alarmist to being insane.

In many regards, I could be asccused of being of the tinfoil hat persuasion, not because I read that Alex Jones posted that "Obama took a s**t and wiped with his LEFT hand!" but rather because most cataclysmic historical events come with generally similar trends, and we are presently seeing these trends unfold. Einstein famously observed that the definition of insanity is repetitively doing the same things while expecting different results. It would serve us well to learn this lesson in the academic sense before having to learn it by experience. If recognizing the signs of impending problems and preferring to fix the problems before a catastrophic failure of the nation takes place makes me a member of the tinfoil hat brigade, so be it.

Nicely stated. Some of my family think I am nuts and on the fringe because I would not let someone search my car. They claim just get it over with, you know they wont find anything.

 

[rambone]

A report to follow when I can get access to a computer. I'm still working from my phone.

The short story is that we got railroaded. Hard. (*)

 

[Trooper]

It sounds like the county chairman job is the one right thinking people need to work toward getting then.

We had a political battle back in the '80s in my county. At one time my friends and myself had over 60% of the candidates recruited by us. However we never were able to get control of the county party.

The Tea Party is doing what we did back then.

Frankly most of the screw up rules we have came from then. The party chairman for Marion Co. pushed through a bunch of laws to protect himself from conservatives. We used to elect the chairman at the end of May after all the new precinct committeemen were elected. Now we have to wait two years so that the chairman has time to appoint replacements who will vote for him.

The state convention is more of a pep rally than anything with power. No delegate really gets to select national delegates.

Real power is locked up in the hands of a few powerful people. Same with the democrats, only worst.

The next big battle for the Tea Party is to open up the parties, to have leadership answer to the precinct people.

 

[dwh79]

Thank you for the info. I was unaware of this. It is amazing how crooked the politicians are.

 

[Trooper]

Thank you for the info. I was unaware of this. It is amazing how crooked the politicians are.

It is not being crooked. You have to go to the democrats, ie Chicago, for that. In Chicago the system is so rigged that you have to bribe folks to get permits.

Yes the system here is rigged. But not crooked. Just not open to the masses.

There is a sense that the people can not be trusted. In some cases that is wise, there are a lot of folks that I would not trust with a gun let alone to vote, hold public office, be a doctor, lawyer or such.

Just remember that the US system was founded on the idea that the people would be of good character and self disciplined. How many screw ups do you know? I guess what I see, especially among the children of friends, does not give hope for the nation.

 

[KLB]

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

 

[Paco Bedejo]

I'm a state delegate as well. District 3 managed to present a 40% "Nay" vote on the national delegate slate. We didn't accomplish anything concrete, but it may have future ramifications, nonetheless.

That said...it felt like an almost complete waste of time, energy, & money to go down there. Between Allen County's $120 delegate fee, transportation, hotel, & food, it cost nearly $400 to essentially watch a pep rally. I'm considering whether to pick up one of the open precinct committeeman positions, but at this point, I'm not sure how much futility I can take before people start getting choked.

 

[CherishedLiberty]

Not open to the masses????

They didn't even let us KNOW WHO we were voting for UNTIL right before we were supposed to say yay or nay.

They wouldn't even respond to a request to REREAD THE NAMES for people in the back that couldn't hear. (The nerve of SOME asking to know WHO they were voting for.)

It was like just shut up and say yay, WE'VE already picked out who we want. "Trust us."

 

[IndyDave1776]

Not open to the masses????

They didn't even let us KNOW WHO we were voting for UNTIL right before we were supposed to say yay or nay.

They even respond to a request to REREAD THE NAMES for people in the back that couldn't hear.

It was like just shut up and say yay, WE'VE already picked out who we want. "Trust us."

Come on! If they wanted your opinion, they would have given it to you!

 

[CherishedLiberty]

Rambone and Paco, did you get e-mails from Eric Holcomb telling you NOT to question their choices and just to say yay because there were too many parties going on and too much to do in Indy to waste time "voting"?

I did.

 

[Trooper]

I'm a state delegate as well. District 3 managed to present a 40% "Nay" vote on the national delegate slate. We didn't accomplish anything concrete, but it may have future ramifications, nonetheless.

That said...it felt like an almost complete waste of time, energy, & money to go down there. Between Allen County's $120 delegate fee, transportation, hotel, & food, it cost nearly $400 to essentially watch a pep rally. I'm considering whether to pick up one of the open precinct committeeman positions, but at this point, I'm not sure how much futility can take before people start getting choked.

Start with being a precinct committeeman. Get others who think like you to run as precinct people. They elect the chairman and vote on who replaces officer holders who die or move to other offices. Plus it lets you know who is who. And gets you into the backroom gossip.

Simply voting people out of office does not work. You have to control the system, the party.

The Tea Party is not the first group to fight this battle. Lots of us have scars.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Rambone and Paco, did you get e-mails from Eric Holcomb telling you NOT to question their choices and just to say yay because there were too many parties going on and too much to do in Indy to waste time "voting"?

I did.

They were brazen enough to directly tell you to skip diligence with your purpose in being there because, after all, there are parties to visit and presumably booze to drink? They are even lower than I thought.

 

[Paco Bedejo]

Rambone and Paco, did you get e-mails from Eric Holcomb telling you NOT to question their choices and just to say yay because there were too many parties going on and too much to do in Indy to waste time "voting"?

I did.

Here's the email from Holcomb. Pretty ridiculous

I'll scan the actual letter he's referring to tomorrow & post it in this thread. It was sent out by the Ron Paul supporters.

Start with being a precinct committeeman. Get others who think like you to run as precinct people. They elect the chairman and vote on who replaces officer holders who die or move to other offices. Plus it lets you know who is who. And gets you into the backroom gossip.

Simply voting people out of office does not work. You have to control the system, the party.

The Tea Party is not the first group to fight this battle. Lots of us have scars.

That's what I've been noticing about the precinct committeeman position. The one valuable thing I took away from this weekend is increased familiarity with the system.

I'd also like to point out that I'm not a Tea Partier, but instead a limited government proponent who got into this to support Ron Paul's campaign while also looking for other ways to get my neighbors' hands out of my wallet & nether regions. I'm sad to see that Ron Paul didn't do better...but I'm quite far from surprised.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

While I agree we need to change the leadership of the Republican Party from the ground up, reading Holcomb's email doesn't raise any particular "stupid" flags for me. If you look at the Republican Party from the view of a long-time "insider" rather than an "outsider" trying to change the system, the idea of "loyalty to the Party" is an ideal criterion for selecting delegates. We need to do what the Communists/Socialists did with the Democrat Party, we need to change the "Party line" of what constitutes "loyalty" to better fit OUR ideals and values.

 

[iwearcowboyboots]

While I agree we need to change the leadership of the Republican Party from the ground up, reading Holcomb's email doesn't raise any particular "stupid" flags for me. If you look at the Republican Party from the view of a long-time "insider" rather than an "outsider" trying to change the system, the idea of "loyalty to the Party" is an ideal criterion for selecting delegates. We need to do what the Communists/Socialists did with the Democrat Party, we need to change the "Party line" of what constitutes "loyalty" to better fit OUR ideals and values.

Dick Lugar's people did pretty well at the Convention... So the insiders did their job.

They were able to capture back spots for the good guys from evil Mourdoch supporters. Thank God because we want to make sure that the delegation we send to Tampa is aligned with Dick Lugar's platform and principles like the rest of the Republican Party should be.