Indianapolis City County Council To Intro Bill On Stolen Firearms

[Kirk Freeman]

Maybe you guys can help me with this, but just how exactly are you going to enforce this?

1. How is anyone going to be able to trace a gun I buy back to me . . . if there is no serial number on the firearm, or no one has it recorded anywhere?

2. Just how many people have all the serial numbers of their firearms written down? 10% of gun owners? Maybe 1 in 5?

"Good morning, Department of Health and Stolen Guns."

"Yes, I'd like to report a stolen gun."

"Ok, what is the make, model and serial number?"

"It's a Glock, the model? Heck, I don't know but it is this big. And I sure don't know the number 'cause when I bought it from Uncle Jimmy I didn't write it down."

 

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[flatlander]

Tully did an op ed on this today. He is such a freakin idiot douche nozzle.

Bob

 

[ipswervy]

If I buy a gun from my local gun dealer then sometime down the road sell that gun to a friend, who sells it to a friend, who sells it to someone he doesn't know but can legally own it, the gun is stolen from him and not reported. Sometime down the road the gun is used in a crime and recovered, police go to manufacturer who gives the name of dealer sold to, they go to dealer who has records of sold gun in my name, I don't keep records of guns I sell, so I guess i'm smacked with a big fine because somebody else didn't report a gun stolen! Sounds like a way to force people to do transfers on all guns they sell.

 

[mrjarrell]

Or just get a bill of sale when you sell to a private individual. Many INGO members already do that with private sales.

 

[oldpink]

Tully did an op ed on this today. He is such a freakin idiot douche nozzle.

Bob

Could you please tell us something that we don't already know?

 

[flatlander]

Could you please tell us something that we don't already know?

True. Just adding to the hope that rag will someday fire him or take the whole thing down around his head.

Bob

 

[oldpink]

True. Just adding to the hope that rag will someday fire him or take the whole thing down around his head.

Bob

Meh, just as with Dan Crapenter (spelling intentional) before he finally skipped town (not to mention Erika Smith), I want Tully right where he is, serving as the example of the moonbat left that he is for others to see.

 

[TheSpark]

My input on this is state preemption invalidates this. They are saying that as a requirement of owning a gun you must report it stolen/missing if it is stolen/missing. That is stricter than the gun ownership laws defined by the state.

An analogy would be a city passing an ordinance saying you must carry a gun in a retention holster (where as state law is silent on how you must/may carry). Just because the state law is silent on something doesn't mean a locality can make a law/ordinance about it. Being silent in the law is the same as the law saying you are okay to do this or you don't have to do that. So by making such a ordinance they are in fact in violation of the state preemption law.

Basically about the only thing related to firearms that localities can regulate is the firing of them with the exception of defense or person or property.

I would argue that requiring to report stolen would violate "ownership","possession","registration","transfer", and "storage".

Ownership: You are being required to report that you own a gun and no longer have it
Possession: you are being required to report that the possession of a handgun is no longer yours.
Registration: you are being required to register the gun as stolen. (this is probably the biggest one)
Transfer: you are being required to report the transfer of a gun to another, albeit illegally.
Storage: You are being required to report the gun is now in the storage of the person who stole it.

 

[Grease]

I think yall may have missed the point on this....

First off, I would report any stolen gun to the police, I don't need a law telling me to take this step...duh.

Secondly, these types of laws lay the ground work for universal registration in that later down the road, when they come looking for your guns and you claim they were "stolen", you get hooked up for not reporting it.

yeah I know the old, "I went duck hunting and they all fell overboard" line but, in reality that is easily disproven.

In my experience, I have seen this type of law creep up around the country and it is mostly in democrat controlled, anti-gun areas that it shows up.

 

[TheSpark]

I think yall may have missed the point on this....

First off, I would report any stolen gun to the police, I don't need a law telling me to take this step...duh.

Secondly, these types of laws lay the ground work for universal registration in that later down the road, when they come looking for your guns and you claim they were "stolen", you get hooked up for not reporting it.

yeah I know the old, "I went duck hunting and they all fell overboard" line but, in reality that is easily disproven.

In my experience, I have seen this type of law creep up around the country and it is mostly in democrat controlled, anti-gun areas that it shows up.

Yea, the only way this law can really be enforced is if there was mandatory gun registration in Indiana.

 

[RobbyMaQ]

It would appear this proposal was passed today with a 15-14 vote.

 

[actaeon277]

It would appear this proposal was passed today with a 15-14 vote.

So, they don't care about the lawsuits.
Or, they're not going to enforce it, therefore no one is "affected" (like Hammond's statutes)

 

[MrsGungho]

It would appear this proposal was passed today with a 15-14 vote.

unreal

 

[RobbyMaQ]

So out of towners need to be aware if a gun is lost or stolen while in marion county, that they need to report it to the marion county health dept, or be fined?

 

[MrsGungho]

So out of towners need to be aware if a gun is lost or stolen while in marion county, that they need to report it to the marion county health dept, or be fined?

doesn't Mayor Ballard need to sign off on this? Or did I misunderstand the news this morning?

And if he needs to, what are the chances he won't sign?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Quick. Somebody steal my gun, then somebody else tell them I didnt report it. I wanna sue!!!!


Effing morons. Lawyers left and right telling you its a bad idea, yet you still proceed.

Anyone got the list of yay/nays?

 

[Cameramonkey]

doesn't Mayor Ballard need to sign off on this? Or did I misunderstand the news this morning?

And if he needs to, what are the chances he won't sign?

I hope he has the sense to listen to the experts and pimp slap these morons down.

 

[MrsGungho]

I hope he has the sense to listen to the experts and pimp slap these morons down.

at this point in time I don't hold my breath for anything from him. He was a huge disappoint during his term as Mayor. He's leaving now so he has nothing to lose.

 

[Hoosierkav]

Could the mayor's signature be pended until Hogsett is sworn in? I don't know how long it can sit idle...