Is our President going to take our guns?

[semperfi211]

Yes , but maybe not a complete ban. They may let us keep muzzleloaders to hunt with. It may be a United Nations ban that this administration would love. Then they could say that they didn't really want it, the U.N. banned guns and we are part of the U.N. .

 

[SavageEagle]

What if an emergency happened that they take over gun manufacturers to produce the quantity of weapons and ammo for our military? Yeah, sounds crazy and unrealistic but, look what has happened lately.

I honestly don't see this happening. I mean, what kind of "Emergency" could they POSSIBLY come up with to take over every single manufacturer in the USA? It's not like these places are hurting finacially, and Winchester alone could produce all the small arms ammo needed for the military to conduct WWIII at a moments notice... I just fail to see how this is possible.

 

[Whosyer]

I think the focus will be on ammunition. Some type of crazy "health " tax . (didn't the Clintons try that? higher ammo taxes on the calibers that created the most gunshot wounds treated in inner city ER's) Add in the lead bullet bans like the one proposed for the California Condor range. Ammo with ID numbers. Anything to drive the cost up . It will be a deal where you can have all the guns you want, you just won't be able to afford the ammo. Maybe ammo will become the new "cigarette". Anytime they need money, up the ammo tax. Nothing will be done before 2010. As stated before, too many seats to lose. But as also said earlier, if Barry Hussein gets a 2nd term, we're totally screwed.

 

[LEaSH]

I'm hoping and praying that things take a turn for the positive. Economically (among other ways) we are being lied to. Even the folks that vote democrat now know that there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Everything the MSM reports in housing numbers and unemployment are fudged. Nobody even denies it anymore.
There is a very good chance that he won't be able to lie his way into a second term. But Pelosi and Frank and the rest will still be around. And quite frankly, they have always been more of the threat than BHO.

 

[jmiller676]

I honestly don't see this happening. I mean, what kind of "Emergency" could they POSSIBLY come up with to take over every single manufacturer in the USA? It's not like these places are hurting finacially, and Winchester alone could produce all the small arms ammo needed for the military to conduct WWIII at a moments notice... I just fail to see how this is possible.

They tried to make Ford take money when they didn't need it, and in regards to them being able to produce all the small arms and ammo comment, you have to realize that the general public does not understand that. So, if you were a Govt. and another war broke out on a different front or our allies get in a war and need guns, what would you do to finally disarm the public after years of trying to pass legislation? Taking over gun manufacturers would be a good story to tell the rest of the people because its better for our safety and our allies...(Israel with Iran right now). Its not coming up with something, its never letting a crisis go to waste, as we've all heard before...

 

[SavageEagle]

They tried to make Ford take money when they didn't need it, and in regards to them being able to produce all the small arms and ammo comment, you have to realize that the general public does not understand that. So, if you were a Govt. and another war broke out on a different front or our allies get in a war and need guns, what would you do to finally disarm the public after years of trying to pass legislation? Taking over gun manufacturers would be a good story to tell the rest of the people because its better for our safety and our allies...(Israel with Iran right now). Its not coming up with something, its never letting a crisis go to waste, as we've all heard before...

Even if 10% of 80 million gun owners screamed foul, there's NO WAY they would go through with it. There's thousands upon thousands of parts manu., ammo manu., gunsmiths, gun manu., etc etc etc that there's no way they could take them all. And remember, Ford didn't take the money. They couldn't force them to either. Never underestimate We The People.

 

[45-70]

I think the focus will be on ammunition. Some type of crazy "health " tax . (didn't the Clintons try that? higher ammo taxes on the calibers that created the most gunshot wounds treated in inner city ER's) Add in the lead bullet bans like the one proposed for the California Condor range. Ammo with ID numbers. Anything to drive the cost up . It will be a deal where you can have all the guns you want, you just won't be able to afford the ammo. Maybe ammo will become the new "cigarette". Anytime they need money, up the ammo tax. Nothing will be done before 2010. As stated before, too many seats to lose. But as also said earlier, if Barry Hussein gets a 2nd term, we're totally screwed.

+1 Ditto

 

[oldfb]

did it say FED Up or just FED?
I suppose if it said just FED it could have been a crackhead thinking it was a NARC in disguise.

If it said "fed up" well that could have been one of the more strung out Reynolds brothers.

Tragic and pointless either way.

I certainly hope that it doesn't come to bloody streets. But there has already been one incident in which it was "reported" that it was because he thought the feds were coming to take his guns.

Seems like things are getting ugly already about a lot of topics...not just the 2A. Did you all hear about the unfortunate census worker in Clay Co., KY? He supposedly had the word "FED" on his chest when they found him.

 

[Glockster]

I honestly don't see this happening. I mean, what kind of "Emergency" could they POSSIBLY come up with to take over

Well, here's a great example of a current "crisis" where government is preparing to completely trample individual rights in the name of the common good. If they get the sheeple scared enough, ANYTHING is possible.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...d_amendment/53901-h1n1_and_massachusetts.html

 

[SavageEagle]

Well, here's a great example of a current "crisis" where government is preparing to completely trample individual rights in the name of the common good. If they get the sheeple scared enough, ANYTHING is possible.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...d_amendment/53901-h1n1_and_massachusetts.html

No I mean seriously. Seriously, how in the world can they take over the entire industry without a full-scale revolt? We have to draw the line somewhere.

In my mind, the line has already been crossed. Nobody's doing anything about it though. Not really.Protesting is good and all but they aren't listening. They didn't even acknowledge us. So now what?

 

[CopperWires]

If they try anything there will definitely be some sort of diversion or bait and switch. The current administration is trying to make themselves look like saviors to our downfallen economy, war on terror, and taking care of citizens. When in fact they aren't really doing anything to help. The stimulus money didn't stimulate the economy. The auto money didn't save the manufacturers. The healthcare reform won't cut costs. Its all about government dependency. A slow but steady scare into socialism. Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever you want but if you pay attention you can see it all going on and working together for a common goal. I know I'm preaching to the choir here. Everything that has been done so far has been hollow with an alternative agenda. Before long it will be too late to pull out of the downward spiral.

 

[Glockster]

Simple. Declare a crisis and implement Marshall law. The government immediately nationalizes all firearm and ammunition manufacturers (notice how they have been practicing on the financial and automotive industries?). Since gun owners are now a minority in this country, they will be divided and conquered. Small pockets of resistance are smashed by overwhelming show of force. The rest of the gun owners go underground with their weapons and ammo stashes. The Internet is taken over by the government to cut off communications. The non- gun owning public goes along with it because government propaganda will sell them on the idea that it's for their "safety". Have you taken the time to think through how close this is now? The swine flu Epide
ic could trigger this. A middle east war triggered by Israel attacking Iran could trigger this. A domestic terrorist attack could trigger this. Think! What would you do if/when one of these things happens?

 

[mrjarrell]

Simple. Declare a crisis and implement Marshall law. The government immediately nationalizes all firearm and ammunition manufacturers (notice how they have been practicing on the financial and automotive industries?). Since gun owners are now a minority in this country, they will be divided and conquered. Small pockets of resistance are smashed by overwhelming show of force. The rest of the gun owners go underground with their weapons and ammo stashes. The Internet is taken over by the government to cut off communications. The non- gun owning public goes along with it because government propaganda will sell them on the idea that it's for their "safety". Have you taken the time to think through how close this is now? The swine flu Epide
ic could trigger this. A middle east war triggered by Israel attacking Iran could trigger this. A domestic terrorist attack could trigger this. Think! What would you do if/when one of these things happens?

Gun owners are not a minority. Figures show that somewhere around 51% of all households have at least one firearm. There are about 50+ million gun owners out there. That's not a minority by any stretch.

 

[Glockster]

Simple. Declare a crisis and implement Marshall law. The government immediately nationalizes all firearm and ammunition manufacturers (notice how they have been practicing on the financial and automotive industries?). Since gun owners are now a minority in this country, they will be divided and conquered. Small pockets of resistance are smashed by overwhelming show of force. The rest of the gun owners go underground with their weapons and ammo stashes. The Internet is taken over by the government to cut off communications. The non- gun owning public goes along with it because government propaganda will sell them on the idea that it's for their "safety". Have you taken the time to think through how close this is now? The swine flu epidemic could trigger this. A middle east war triggered by Israel attacking Iran could trigger this. A domestic terrorist attack could trigger this. Think! What would you do if/when one of these things happens?

What we are doing Saturday is about the best we can do right now-raise awareness of the threat. This needs to be repeated over and over so that the pols and public are aware of these issues before it is attempted.

 

[SavageEagle]

What would you do if/when one of these things happens?

Trust me. I've considered all these possibilities. What would I do? It's not prudent to discuss such things on the internet let alone on this particular board.

Gun owners are not a minority. Figures show that somewhere around 51% of all households have at least one firearm. There are about 50+ million gun owners out there. That's not a minority by any stretch.

Try 80 Million+ BEFORE the big gun and ammo rush. No one in the Country knows who has all the guns or how many are really out there. 6 months changed a LOT of stats and we may never know either. I like it that way too.

What we are doing Saturday is about the best we can do right now-raise awareness of the threat. This needs to be repeated over and over so that the pols and public are aware of these issues before it is attempted.

Trust me, this is only the first wave before the arrows of darkness. With any luck, what we do Saturday will be emulated all across the Country. Cities big and small will try to quash this movement but we can't let that stop it. We have to hold on until 2012. If we can't change the course of this destructive government by then, God help us.

 

[cosermann]

They know that it would be political suicide to try anything like this before the mid-term elections. Who knows what happened in the mid-term elections after the last major federal "crime bill" (i.e. AWB) was passed? (Aptly, named btw, because the bill was a crime.) Free rep to the first person posting an answer.

Therefore, I don't expect this to even be discussed by the Dems before 11/02/2010. That's 403 more days.

 

[Glockster]

Gun owners are not a minority. Figures show that somewhere around 51% of all households have at least one firearm. There are about 50+ million gun owners out there. That's not a minority by any stretch.

I don't have any data to contradict your numbers but, I live in the city and I guarantee you half the people are not gun owners, let alone gun literate or supportive. I suspect we will see a lot of bystanders on Saturday with fear in their eyes once they realize a small army is walking down the street. There are many gun owners who are not gun activists. Case in point: my brother-in-law is a plastic surgeon with four boys under 15 and owns a Glock. I'm not sure he even knows how to load it let alone field strip and clean it. He is totally unaware of political issues surrounding RKBA and would probably vote to restrict gun ownership, AWB etc. My point is, don't count on all gun owners to do the heavy lifting when SHTF.

 

[Tonyscomputery]

This is a great reminder and incentive for all of you to show up at Savage Eagle's 2A walk in downtown Indianapolis on Saturday.

on the walk everyone who can should join

 

[dburkhead]

I don't have any data to contradict your numbers but, I live in the city and I guarantee you half the people are not gun owners, let alone gun literate or supportive. I suspect we will see a lot of bystanders on Saturday with fear in their eyes once they realize a small army is walking down the street. There are many gun owners who are not gun activists. Case in point: my brother-in-law is a plastic surgeon with four boys under 15 and owns a Glock. I'm not sure he even knows how to load it let alone field strip and clean it. He is totally unaware of political issues surrounding RKBA and would probably vote to restrict gun ownership, AWB etc. My point is, don't count on all gun owners to do the heavy lifting when SHTF.

What makes you think that households "in the city" are represenative of the population as a whole?

You might want to consider that at least 10% of all adults in Indiana possess LTCH. Given average household size and the fact that there are some households like mine (two adults, one LTCH at this time) that means between 10-20% that have a license to carry a handgun. When you add in all the folk who have a rifle or shotgun or who have a handgun either as an heirloom or for "home protection" without having a license and that 50% number starts looking like a conservative figure.

Yes, there's area bias. In the city you might not have 50% (or you might and they might not be telling you), but that's compensated by a much, much higher percentage in rural areas.

 

[SavageEagle]

This is all why we're doing this Downtown Indy and not, say Nashville, or Princeton, or Monrovia.