It's official, Trump has been Acquitted

[jamil]

Obviously false, as charges have been brought before.

Trying to figure out what you’re saying. I think he was saying that the thing that wasn’t new, was the knowledge that the Obstruction charge was invalid. We all knew that, except for the people who were eager to believe it. So I have to ask, what are the charges that have been brought before?

 

[Doug]

Charges were made because the Democrats promised their base they would impeach Trump. The effort started November 9, 2016 according to Washington Post headlines.
Charges were made; they were not valid charges.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Trying to figure out what you’re saying. I think he was saying that the thing that wasn’t new, was the knowledge that the Obstruction charge was invalid. We all knew that, except for the people who were eager to believe it. So I have to ask, what are the charges that have been brought before?

That’s not how I took it. Perhaps he can clarify if he was only speaking of obstruction charges.

 

[jamil]

Charges were made because the Democrats promised their base they would impeach Trump. The effort started November 9, 2016 according to Washington Post headlines.
Charges were made; they were not valid charges.

The obstruction charge was not valid. The other, wasn’t invalid, as there was quid pro quo. It’s that they lacked evidence to prove that it was primarily for Trump’s personal gain. The Senate should have thrown out the obstruction charge straightaway. Then, of course the vote to acquit on the abuse of power is appropriate.

 

[Doug]

Meh.

It was all a farce from the beginning as evidenced by everything from Princess Pelosi's Souvenir Impeachment Pens, to her delay of the presentation of the articles, the Impeachment Parade to walk them over, and her rejection of the verdict.

Political theater and much ado about nothing.

 

[BugI02]

I think it just means the Democrats had no valid charges to bring against the President.
This is nothing new.

Obviously false, as charges have been brought before.

Did you read the entire quote? The really important word is highlighted in maroon

 

[Mongo59]

Meh.

It was all a farce from the beginning as evidenced by everything from Princess Pelosi's Souvenir Impeachment Pens, to her delay of the presentation of the articles, the Impeachment Parade to walk them over, and her rejection of the verdict.

Political theater and much ado about nothing.

Maybe those pens are little ticking corona virus time bombs...

 

[chipbennett]

Obviously false, as charges have been brought before.

When have "obstruction of Congress" (as opposed to "obstruction of justice") charges been brought before? Compare and contrast.

 

[chipbennett]

That’s not how I took it. Perhaps he can clarify if he was only speaking of obstruction charges.

Yes, correct: I was speaking specifically about the "obstruction of Congress" article.

 

[OakRiver]

Vindman, sorry Lt. Col. Vindman, has retired from the military after claiming he was bullied out of his position: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...nst-trump-announces-retirement-from-the-army/

 

[IndyBeerman]

Vindman, sorry Lt. Col. Vindman, has retired from the military after claiming he was bullied out of his position: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...nst-trump-announces-retirement-from-the-army/

It's my understanding, he retire at Lt. Col pay grade, but got a promotion to full bird.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

It's my understanding, he retire at Lt. Col pay grade, but got a promotion to full bird.

Military ranks have always baffled me. I mean, in general (small g), officers go Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Colonel, General, right? But then they throw in things like "Lieutenant Colonel", and "Major General". What happened to "Major Colonel" or "Colonel General"? It's like they skipped a step backwards somewhere.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Military ranks have always baffled me. I mean, in general (small g), officers go Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Colonel, General, right? But then they throw in things like "Lieutenant Colonel", and "Major General". What happened to "Major Colonel" or "Colonel General"? It's like they skipped a step backwards somewhere.

WAY back in the day (I'm talking WAY back) the 2-star General was a Sergeant Major General. It was shortened to Major General sometime WAY back also. Sergeant Major General just seems wrong, that's a Flag Officer, that ain't no Sergeant and should never try to take the title.

 

[KellyinAvon]

It's my understanding, he retire at Lt. Col pay grade, but got a promotion to full bird.

With very few exceptions there is a service commitment to retire at a rank. Probably three years for Colonel.

I guess this leaker won't be able to get the really good tee-times at the base golf course.

Edit: Also, retired PAY is based when you came on active duty. I was "High-3". Average of base pay for the highest three years of pay, then a percentage based on years of service. I am a retired Senior Master Sergeant because I wore the rank longer than the service commitment to retire at that rank (2 year service commitment, I wore the rank 2 years and 4 months.) My retired pay is based on that time and 8 months of Master Sergeant pay.

I had a bud wear SMSgt for about a year, then retired because of a job opportunity. He's a retired MSgt (SMSgt less than 2 years), but retired pay is based on High-3, which is higher than MSgt pay.

The leaker probably opted for High-3, even though he'd have come in under the Redux retirement. Early 2000s you could opt in to High-3.

 

[rkwhyte2]

With very few exceptions there is a service commitment to retire at a rank. Probably three years for Colonel.

I guess this leaker won't be able to get the really good tee-times at the base golf course.

My FiL retired from the Navy as a Commander. He was 2nd in command of Naval Ocean Systems out at Point Loma. Driving on to base with my MiL was always a trip those Marines at the gate were very respectful.

 

[jamil]

Military ranks have always baffled me. I mean, in general (small g), officers go Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Colonel, General, right? But then they throw in things like "Lieutenant Colonel", and "Major General". What happened to "Major Colonel" or "Colonel General"? It's like they skipped a step backwards somewhere.

I think there should be completely different designations for generals. So the lowest ranking general would be a flunky general. Then a regular general. Then a poohbah general, and finally, for the whoop-tee-doo boss general, we’ll call them a grand poohbah general.

 

[nonobaddog]

Military ranks have always baffled me. I mean, in general (small g), officers go Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Colonel, General, right? But then they throw in things like "Lieutenant Colonel", and "Major General". What happened to "Major Colonel" or "Colonel General"? It's like they skipped a step backwards somewhere.

The way I remember it is
Second Lieutenant - butter bar (O1)
First Lieutenant - silver bar (O2)
Captain - two silver bars (O3)
Major - brass oak leaf (O4)
Lieutenant Colonel - silver oak leaf (O5)
Colonel - eagle (O6)
Brigadier General - silver star (O7)
Major General - two silver stars (O8)
Lieutenant General - three silver stars (O9)
General - four silver stars (O10)
General of the Army - five silver stars (O11) - only during wartime

 

[KellyinAvon]

I think there should be completely different designations for generals. So the lowest ranking general would be a flunky general. Then a regular general. Then a poohbah general, and finally, for the whoop-tee-doo boss general, we’ll call them a grand poohbah general.

It’s too bad they kicked the guy with the grand Pooh Bah general idea out of the meeting.

 

[jamil]

It’s too bad they kicked the guy with the grand Pooh Bah general idea out of the meeting.

It may have been the hat?

 

[KLB]

It may have been the hat?