John Wayne a Liberal?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btvSE6tVHzQ&feature=related





Seems he figured out he wasn't one after all.

 

[scttnieman]

And to think I grew up with him and I never had any idea about his political views till just now

 

[jgreiner]

And to think I grew up with him and I never had any idea about his political views till just now

Really? The whole REASON he did the movie the Green Beret's was because he was SICK of the way the military was being treated by the long haired hippy types when they returned from Viet Nam. He was always a staunch conservative.

 

[88GT]

When was this recorded?

 

[J_Wales]

McLintock anybody?

 

[jgreiner]

McLintock anybody?

That is one funny movie!!! And probably the reason I have a fondness for women with curves. (Maureen O'Hara)

 

[threefiftyfour]

If you look up an old enough definition of liberal, I think we all would like to be at least somewhat liberal. The old definition is about caring for others and helping those that can't help themselves. Like all political words, it has been co-opted and changed to suit the current need.

 

[88GT]

If you look up an old enough definition of liberal, I think we all would like to be at least somewhat liberal. The old definition is about caring for others and helping those that can't help themselves. Like all political words, it has been co-opted and changed to suit the current need.

The political definition of liberal is to the left of authoritarian governments wherein power is held within a select elite few (monarchies and the people who are governed have no voice in their government or governance (except by violence).

Classical liberalism as it has come to be known (to distinguish it from American liberalism which is entirely different) is exactly what our framers had in mind when they created our Constitution and envisioned our nation: a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. Liberty and equality of rights under the law regardless of social or economic status are hallmarks of classical liberalism.

Liberalism has never been about helping people in the charitable sense.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

The [current] political definition of liberal is to the left of authoritarian governments wherein power is held within a select elite few (monarchies and the people who are governed have no voice in their government or governance (except by violence).

Classical liberalism as it has come to be known (to distinguish it from American liberalism which is entirely different) is exactly what our framers had in mind when they created our Constitution and envisioned our nation: a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. Liberty and equality of rights under the law regardless of social or economic status are hallmarks of classical liberalism.

Liberalism has never been about helping people in the charitable sense.

Since I try to make it a personal policy not to "Fix It For Ya", I'll make a suggested change to 88GT's comment.

 

[88GT]

Since I try to make it a personal policy not to "Fix It For Ya", I'll make a suggested change to 88GT's comment.

Nope, I'm pretty sure liberalism has had the same definition since it become fashionable in Locke's time. However, as it is broad and encompasses so much in such a generic way, "liberty" and "equality of rights" will mean different things to different people. Sometimes to the point that "liberty" is no longer a central theme.

 

[J_Wales]

That is one funny movie!!! And probably the reason I have a fondness for women with curves. (Maureen O'Hara)

And filled with a number of conservative themes as well.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

McLintock anybody?

That is one funny movie!!! And probably the reason I have a fondness for women with curves. (Maureen O'Hara)

And filled with a number of conservative themes as well.

Some truly old-fashioned ideas, too. Note that striking one's wife was considered to be an acceptable means of maintaining household discipline.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Nope, I'm pretty sure liberalism has had the same definition since it become fashionable in Locke's time. However, as it is broad and encompasses so much in such a generic way, "liberty" and "equality of rights" will mean different things to different people. Sometimes to the point that "liberty" is no longer a central theme.

OK, I had a feeling my suggestion might not be acceptable. I will say that when John Wayne made that clip, today's "Liberals" were more commonly referred to as "Communists".

 

[J_Wales]

Some truly old-fashioned ideas, too. Note that striking one's wife was considered to be an acceptable means of maintaining household discipline.

Actually, Mrs. Wales loves being spanked, but that line of discussion is not likely acceptable here.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Actually, Mrs. Wales loves being spanked, but that line of discussion is not likely acceptable here.

Perfectly acceptable, do tell more.

 

[J_Wales]

Perfectly acceptable, do tell more.

Well, I'm sure it's acceptable to you. It's Mrs. Wales that concerns me.